Dupuis placed on waivers

[CarltonTheBear]

Maybe Burke is working on a trade to bring a really good penalty killer or something, because as CTB points out, he is hardly the problem with our PK. I doubt it's to just play Rosehill and or Orr over him.

My guess is this move is much more closely related to Brown and Komisarek being close to returning, and wanting to keep Kadri and Frattin with the big club.

Agreed. I wouldn't read too much into this.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Maybe Burke is working on a trade to bring a really good penalty killer or something, because as CTB points out, he is hardly the problem with our PK. I doubt it's to just play Rosehill and or Orr over him.

My guess is this move is much more closely related to Brown and Komisarek being close to returning, and wanting to keep Kadri and Frattin with the big club.

I look forward to both of them coming back.  Those two may be able to stir up the PK a little bit.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Maybe Burke is working on a trade to bring a really good penalty killer or something, because as CTB points out, he is hardly the problem with our PK. I doubt it's to just play Rosehill and or Orr over him.

My guess is this move is much more closely related to Brown and Komisarek being close to returning, and wanting to keep Kadri and Frattin with the big club.

I suppose that fits right, given the rumours of them coming back. Dupuis can always come back up, as there is no real risk to lose him, one would think.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Maybe Burke is working on a trade to bring a really good penalty killer or something, because as CTB points out, he is hardly the problem with our PK. I doubt it's to just play Rosehill and or Orr over him.

My guess is this move is much more closely related to Brown and Komisarek being close to returning, and wanting to keep Kadri and Frattin with the big club.

I look forward to both of them coming back.  Those two may be able to stir up the PK a little bit.

If we hinge on Komisarek to improve anything then this team is in a lot more deeper trouble then it looks.

 

[namesoog]

I just find it strange how in less than 1 year he is held accountable for his performance and in 3 1/2 years Teflon Ron is not.

 

[Kessel Run]

Why Dupuis and not Rosehill or Orr? Dupuis can at least play on the PK.

 

[Zee]

Why Dupuis and not Rosehill or Orr? Dupuis can at least play on the PK.

I can play on the Leafs PK too. It's not saying much.

 

[Tigger]

Why Dupuis and not Rosehill or Orr? Dupuis can at least play on the PK.

Good question.

 

[lamajama]

Why Dupuis and not Rosehill or Orr? Dupuis can at least play on the PK.

I can play on the Leafs PK too. It's not saying much.

Nice.  ;D I think it's a case of holding the least important guy "accountable". I mean this PK has about 10* guys that should be held accountable...

* this includes coaches, who are immune to the Blue and White disease, (thru a vaccination obviously).

 

[bustaheims]

I can play on the Leafs PK too. It's not saying much.

Well, it is and it isn't. Yes, the Leafs PK was bad, but, Dupuis was still their best PK forward. To improve the PK, the team needed to push him down the PK rankings, rather than remove him from it completely.

Just to put things into a little perspective - so far this season, the Leafs have allowed 41 goals in 232:45 on the PK. In his 73:24 of PK time, Dupuis was on for 9 of those goals. So, despite playing 31.5% of the team's PK minutes, he was on the ice for only 22% of the goals the team has allowed on the PK. If the entire PK unit killed off penalties at the same rate as it has when Dupuis was on the ice (1 goal every ~490 seconds of PK time), the Leafs would have allowed 10-12 less goals this season, and have a PK percentage of somewhere in 80-82% range. That's a pretty substantial gap. How much of that is directly related to Dupuis' contributions is hard to judge, but, I'd say it's pretty safe to say the Leafs' PK is better with Dupuis than it is without him.

 

[Kin]

I can play on the Leafs PK too. It's not saying much.

Well, it is and it isn't. Yes, the Leafs PK was bad, but, Dupuis was still their best PK forward. To improve the PK, the team needed to push him down the PK rankings, rather than remove him from it completely.

Just to put things into a little perspective - so far this season, the Leafs have allowed 41 goals in 232:45 on the PK. In his 73:24 of PK time, Dupuis was on for 9 of those goals. So, despite playing 31.5% of the team's PK minutes, he was on the ice for only 22% of the goals the team has allowed on the PK. If the entire PK unit killed off penalties at the same rate as it has when Dupuis was on the ice (1 goal every ~490 seconds of PK time), the Leafs would have allowed 10-12 less goals this season, and have a PK percentage of somewhere in 84.5-86.5% range. That's a pretty substantial gap. How much of that is directly related to Dupuis' contributions is hard to judge, but, I'd say it's pretty safe to say the Leafs' PK is better with Dupuis than it is without him.

I don't know that those numbers are substantial enough or in fact that those are quality enough metrics to say either that Dupuis is the team's best penalty killer or that he has a net positive effect on the team's pk. Not to mention, just at a glance, the way that number is calculated would seem to give a pretty big edge to a team's #1 PK unit regardless of how well they play.

 

[Kaberle15]

Great move, now the Leafs PK will rank 31st in a 30 team league...

 

[Rebel_1812]

I can play on the Leafs PK too. It's not saying much.

Well, it is and it isn't. Yes, the Leafs PK was bad, but, Dupuis was still their best PK forward. To improve the PK, the team needed to push him down the PK rankings, rather than remove him from it completely.

Just to put things into a little perspective - so far this season, the Leafs have allowed 41 goals in 232:45 on the PK. In his 73:24 of PK time, Dupuis was on for 9 of those goals. So, despite playing 31.5% of the team's PK minutes, he was on the ice for only 22% of the goals the team has allowed on the PK. If the entire PK unit killed off penalties at the same rate as it has when Dupuis was on the ice (1 goal every ~490 seconds of PK time), the Leafs would have allowed 10-12 less goals this season, and have a PK percentage of somewhere in 80-82% range. That's a pretty substantial gap. How much of that is directly related to Dupuis' contributions is hard to judge, but, I'd say it's pretty safe to say the Leafs' PK is better with Dupuis than it is without him.

I applaud your mathcraft of a borderline nhler that no other team wanted.

 

[ZBBM]

This is an ?berdebate.  Dupuis may not have been the biggest problem with the PK, but he was signed to improve the PK and it hasn't improved.  Therefore he failed to do his job.  When that happens, you get terminated or demoted, not, say, extended for another year to the tune of millions.  :

 

[bustaheims]

This is an ?berdebate.  Dupuis may not have been the biggest problem with the PK, but he was signed to improve the PK and it hasn't improved.  Therefore he failed to do his job.  When that happens, you get terminated or demoted, not, say, extended for another year to the tune of millions.  :

He wasn't signed to improve the PK, though - that's just too much responsibility to place on a single player that's not a goalie. He was signed because he's decent at PKing, and the number show that he did a pretty good job of that. It's really not his fault the rest of the PK group are terrible.

 

[Bender]

This is an ?berdebate.  Dupuis may not have been the biggest problem with the PK, but he was signed to improve the PK and it hasn't improved.  Therefore he failed to do his job.  When that happens, you get terminated or demoted, not, say, extended for another year to the tune of millions.  :

He wasn't signed to improve the PK, though - that's just too much responsibility to place on a single player that's not a goalie. He was signed because he's decent at PKing, and the number show that he did a pretty good job of that. It's really not his fault the rest of the PK group are terrible.

At the same time I can't believe anybody cares that much one way or another about this player. You have cynics on the left saying "Bah! He's taking up a roster spot (not anymore) and is a waste of money! Darryl Boyce would've saved us all along!" and on the right you have people saying "Hey, he's good on the PK! He's decent and was unfairly sent down!"

My view: Philippe Dupuis is a, more or less, inconsequential player who has neither helped nor hurt the team during his play here, and was signed to be a good fourth line player, and was not brought in because the Leafs thought he was a one man PK genius or a scoring threat.

But my question is this: Why does anyone even care?

 

[Kin]

But my question is this: Why does anyone even care?

Seems pretty straightforward to me. The PK is a pressing issue right now. Dupuis was, indisputably, a large part of the PK even though opinions obviously vary as to his aptitude for killing penalties.

If you believe, as some have expressed, that Dupuis was the team's most effective PK'ing forward then a team struggling on the PK may be sending down one of their better players on it. If you're less inclined to believe that Dupuis was one of the better penalty killers on the team, the reality is that his absence still creates a void of ice time that will have to be filled.

The struggles of the team short-handed is a very significant subplot to the team's season right now. Sending down Dupuis is an important development in that sense.

 

[Zee]

This is an ?berdebate.  Dupuis may not have been the biggest problem with the PK, but he was signed to improve the PK and it hasn't improved.  Therefore he failed to do his job.  When that happens, you get terminated or demoted, not, say, extended for another year to the tune of millions.  :

Exactly.  Nobody is saying Dupuis was the problem on the PK, only that he didn't provide much of a solution to it.  If he's not a bona-fide premier penalty killer, what's he doing on the team? 

 

[Bates]

Dupuis being the Leaf's best penalty killer is kinda like being the tallest midget in a room, you are still a midget.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

This is an ?berdebate.  Dupuis may not have been the biggest problem with the PK, but he was signed to improve the PK and it hasn't improved.  Therefore he failed to do his job.  When that happens, you get terminated or demoted, not, say, extended for another year to the tune of millions.  :

Exactly.  Nobody is saying Dupuis was the problem on the PK, only that he didn't provide much of a solution to it.  If he's not a bona-fide premier penalty killer, what's he doing on the team?

Being pretty responsible defensively at even strength as well?