Eric Staal in play?
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bustaheims
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Madferret said:
So, he's marginally younger and he's had the good fortune of being on better teams?
bustaheims
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Madferret said:
That plays both ways, though. Staal has a full NTC, which limits the market for him. Since he's not looking to get out, he's less likely to be open to all the potential trade options than Spezza would have been. We've seen a lot of examples of NTCs having a negative impact on trade returns.
bustaheims
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Madferret said:
I stand by my statement. The Canes won a Cup. That makes them the better team for the resume. That, or you're completely contradicting your own point.
Kin
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Madferret said:
And Spezza is also a significantly better scorer, being a career ppg player compared to .89 for Staal, as well as coming with a lower cap hit.
There are differences between the two of them, sure, but the differences aren't enough for the difference between a 23 year old former second round pick forward whose career best is 35 points being the best piece in a trade and a 20 year old former 5th overall pick who'd nearly matched that point total as a rookie defenseman.
Coco-puffs
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Kadri and Reilly together isn't nearly enough "cap dollars". It would have to be Kadri and Gardiner or something to that tune.
Madferret said:
Dude, come on, you're not helping your troll reputation here. You're free to argue that Gardiner wouldn't get you Staal, but Jake's trade value isn't that of a healthy scratch.
Madferret
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Nik the Trik said:
In the playoffs Staal is PPG, Spezza is just slightly under. Spezza may have a lower hit now but he's due for a new contract after this season. You get two years of Staal if you trade for him - that's going to affect his value. He's not a rental.
We really won't know either way until he does actually get traded and for what.
Madferret
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CarltonTheBear said:
You guys call me a troll for being an ass about a lot of ridiculous proposals and statements that are made around here that are so far outside the realities of the NHL and hockey world it's scary. Really I don't give a f - a lot of you need to be brought back to planet earth.
Bear ATM the proof is in the pudding! Has he or has he not been a healthy scratch since the Leafs started out 0-2 with him in the lineup?
bustaheims
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Madferret said:
In this case, we're also looking at a mid-season deal, which makes things much more complicated in terms of navigating the cap, which, in turn, impacts the interest teams have in getting a deal done and what they're willing to give up. The extra year on the Staal's deal with the cap hit that's attached to it doesn't really do a whole lot to improve his value right now.
bustaheims
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Madferret said:
Except that winning the Cup really only adds value in the eyes of the fans - especially when it's something that happened almost a decade ago. He didn't win the Cup on his own. He only gets so much credit for being part of a Cup winning team, even if he was a big part of it.
bustaheims
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Madferret said:
Just borrowing yours. Thought I needed some help me dig down to your level.
Kin
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Madferret said:
Two years at a bad cap hit is not better than one year at a good one. Especially for a team like the Leafs who are against it pretty tight.
Madferret said:
Well, that's true but that's why I wouldn't walk into a thread like this talking about what it will and won't take. But trolling is as trolling does, I suppose.
Madferret said:
Stop the presses! A trade proposal on a fan forum favours the home team! The majority of posters on a TML fan forum are biased towards the Toronto Maple Leafs!
Also, go on a general hockey forum and ask them if Kyle Turris is "elite" or if Curis Lazar is the "leagues best prospect" and see how far outside the realities of the NHL and hockey world you are.
Madferret said:
And Henrik Lundqvist has let in 12 goals in the past 2 games. Is he a 6.00 GAA goalie?
azzurri63
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I don't understand why everyone figures you have to give up the world for some of these guys. Same as when the Thornton rumours were floating around. 30 year old center, personally think declining stats, big cap hit and battling injuries the last couple years. As much as I like him and it's exactly what we need maybe yes to acquiring him say 3-4 years ago. Don't think Kadris stats will be much different over the next few years and some people are saying Kadri, Gardiner or Rielly plus a first. Give me a break. Leafs do anything remotely close to this whole brass should be fired. If anything get rid of Phaneuf and his crappy contract and throw in something else and call it good. Wishful thinking. Don't understand why teams give up so much for older declining players. Think it's all based on what you've done not what have you done for me lately. If the Leafs give up too much and especially give up Rielly which I don't think they will I'm done with this team. All this venting and all just a rumour. Don't think it will happen.