Eric Staal in play?
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Kin
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Madferret said:
People who were discussing Gardiner as the centrepiece of a trade for Staal didn't pull it out of the air. It's in reference to something that was discussed on TSN's panel last night that specifically mentioned him as a component. Despite that, nobody here said anything resembling Gardiner being sufficient on his own to land Staal.
And, honestly, you should be flattered when people give you the benefit of the doubt by calling you a troll in this context because you'd come off worse if you genuinely believed that Gardiner is a "healthy scratch" or that the Hurricanes winning the cup 8 years ago is going to be a significant issue when it comes to Staal's trade value.
Madferret
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Realistically Nonis / the Leafs don't have the balls to trade for true bonafide #1 center, they're just as happy with that guy who chews Kessel's food for him. Filling a glaring hole like that just brings more pressure and we all know how this lot reacts to pressure. Hey that guy - keep on chewing!
Deebo said:
I'm not even sure what that has to do with anything. He was drafted at 165lbs. Some professional scouts probably thought he was too small and would never amount to anything.
Boston Leaf
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Patience..patience we all know Stamkos will sign here when a free agent.. No need to waste a thing on Staal
iwas11in67
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I'd give up Bozak and Gardiner if the numbers work. But no more.
Chev-boyar-sky
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Iwas11in67 said:
Yeah this....maybe.
I'd be interested to see what we could get for Gardiner to play alongside Lupul and Kadri and keep Bozak, and weigh that against moving Bozak and Gardiner for Staal.
Realistically a very good winger would give us 3 pretty solid lines, whereas Staal would be an upgrade on Bozak defensively but Bozak is producing offense to this point that I'm pretty sure Staal could only match.
Heroic Shrimp
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Deebo said:
By my calculations, if Kadri gets 50 points in his next 138 games, he'll be exactly as elite as Turris.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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CarltonTheBear said:
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Madferret said:
Look, I know you're taking some stick here and your instinct is just to lash out, but what part of this post do you think is okay on a Leafs fan forum?
It's just not acceptable, it's unadulterated trolling and adds no value.
Corn Flake
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Spezza to Dallas for "Alex Chiasson, Nicholas Paul, the 101st player chosen in the 2013 entry draft, and Alex Guptill, who went 77th overall in 2010.
And we are supposed to give up more than a Gardiner/Bozak package to get Staal?
C'mon.
And we are supposed to give up more than a Gardiner/Bozak package to get Staal?
C'mon.
Britishbulldog
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azzurri63 said:
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Last season the E Staal and Spezza were almost identical in offensive pts. Over their careers E Staal has played more games but Spezza has a better PPG.
If the asking price for the $9.25 14/15 and $9.5 MIL 15/16 E Staal (yes Staal is owed almost $19 MIL over the next 2 years) is more than what Spezza ($4 MIL salary is owed) got in the trade which was 24 year old Chiasson with 44 pts so far in his NHL career, 2013 101 draft pick Nicholas Paul, a college LW in Alex Guptill that has no NHL experience and a 2nd draft pick than I am not sure if the trade should be made.
With the horrible amount of money that E Staal is owed it is possible that even matching Spezza's trade value might be foolish. Trying to do a Toronto comparison to what Dallas gave up I was wondering if it would be:
Chiasson ---- Bozak
Paul 67ga 26go 20a 46pts ---- doesn't even have Carter Verhaeghe 65ga 28go 54a 82pts
Guptill NCAA ---- Frattin?? NCAA star (currently struggling)
2nd pick ---- 2nd Pick
Britishbulldog
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In fact using Nik's 'dimes for a quarter' analogy when I was looking up the Spezza trade THN had the headline:
Senators trade Jason Spezza to Stars for pennies on the dollar
Senators trade Jason Spezza to Stars for pennies on the dollar
Kin
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I think right now the big question mark would be the extent to which Carolina would want to trade Staal. Spezza, as has been pointed out, wanted to be traded. That played a role in what he was dealt for.
But that's not to say that Staal's value would be higher. If Carolina really wanted to shake things up and were fairly confident that they would lose Staal as a free agent in a couple of years and really wanted to rebuild then there wouldn't be much of a difference between him and Spezza in that regard.
If, however, Carolina thought they could re-sign Staal and really would only trade him if they got an offer they couldn't refuse...well, that's where I go back to a hockey deal not really making sense.
But that's not to say that Staal's value would be higher. If Carolina really wanted to shake things up and were fairly confident that they would lose Staal as a free agent in a couple of years and really wanted to rebuild then there wouldn't be much of a difference between him and Spezza in that regard.
If, however, Carolina thought they could re-sign Staal and really would only trade him if they got an offer they couldn't refuse...well, that's where I go back to a hockey deal not really making sense.
Bill_Berg
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How much of the trade value is the market? Maybe no other teams were interested in Spezza, or they were offering less than Dallas. One year later, a similar player may go for more, or less, simply because there are two teams that want the player enough to get into a bidding war, and happen to be willing to spend more assets.
I really don't know what the hockey trade market looks like behind closed doors, but it's clearly not consistent.
I really don't know what the hockey trade market looks like behind closed doors, but it's clearly not consistent.