Florida interested in Kessel

[Madferret]

I'm not 100% sure why you keep talking about Kessel's contract like it's a positive? Speaking of which what does his NTC detail?

 

[Big Daddy]

Maybe Jokinen gets moved with Kessel to FLA to play with his brother.

 

[Manson]

I mean, at worst if Kessel does demand a trade you have to figure on at least Milan Michalek, Jonathan Cheechoo and a 2nd.

Nah, I'm thinking more like two 1sts and a 2nd.

 

[Kin]

I mean, at worst if Kessel does demand a trade you have to figure on at least Milan Michalek, Jonathan Cheechoo and a 2nd.

Nah, I'm thinking more like two 1sts and a 2nd.

Eh, you never know. He might like Calgary.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Nah, I'm thinking more like two 1sts and a 2nd.

I know it's a joke, but I've seen it mentioned a few times here and elsewhere as kind of a put-down - like Kessel's not even worth now what they paid to get him, or something.  But it's not like the deal was just made yesterday - Kessel's value today is different than it was as he was coming into his prime.  Doesn't mean he isn't worth a lot, but doesn't mean he's worth that today either.

 

[Deebo]

I'm not 100% sure why you keep talking about Kessel's contract like it's a positive? Speaking of which what does his NTC detail?

Because the acquiring team gets him long term on a reasonable contract.

 

[Madferret]

I'm not 100% sure why you keep talking about Kessel's contract like it's a positive? Speaking of which what does his NTC detail?

Because the acquiring team gets him long term on a reasonable contract.

With respect I don't think 7 more years at 8 million per is very reasonable - not in a salary cap landscape...it's going to dictate who they can trade him to and they'll most likely have to take back a bad contract in any deal. I don't think they trade him personally. This is what I was alluding to earlier when I said it would be a disaster if Phil decides he has taken enough of the media's bs and requests a trade out. Keeping him happy right now should be paramount - show that guy some love!

 

[Highlander]

At least two firsts and a second and they take Clarkson to shine his skates

 

[Joe S.]

I'm glad we have an objective sens fan here to keep us all honest. God know his opinion contains no bias at all.

 

[Manson]

I'm glad we have an objective sens fan here to keep us all honest. God know his opinion contains no bias at all.

For what it's worth, I think it's a bad contract too and it seriously affects his trade value.  Granted, I'm a Habs fan and not the most knowledgeable guy in the world (or this thread) about contracts, salary cap etc.

 

[Deebo]

I'm not 100% sure why you keep talking about Kessel's contract like it's a positive? Speaking of which what does his NTC detail?

Because the acquiring team gets him long term on a reasonable contract.

With respect I don't think 7 more years at 8 million per is very reasonable - not in a salary cap landscape...it's going to dictate who they can trade him to and they'll most likely have to take back a bad contract in any deal. I don't think they trade him personally. This is what I was alluding to earlier when I said it would be a disaster if Phil decides he has taken enough of the media's bs and requests a trade out. Keeping him happy right now should be paramount - show that guy some love!

Going by recent comparable contracts signed, I think it is reasonable (P. Kane, B. Ryan). What is your reasoning?

Dreger and LeBrun have both said they have talked to a number of NHL executives who don't think the leafs will have to take bad salary.

I don't think they need to trade him either, but there will be  plenty of suitors in the off-season if they decide to move him. If they take one player back at ~3M, he'd only be adding 5M to a team's salary cap, pretty much any team can afford that. This isn't a David Clarkson or Mike Richards situation, this is premier NHL talent, despite his flaws.

Points aren't everything, I know, but this guy is 4th in goals and top 15 in points since he joined the Leafs.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I'm glad we have an objective sens fan here to keep us all honest. God know his opinion contains no bias at all.

For what it's worth, I think it's a bad contract too and it seriously affects his trade value.  Granted, I'm a Habs fan and not the most knowledgeable guy in the world (or this thread) about contracts, salary cap etc.

If you don't have much knowledge of that stuff how can you call it a good or bad contract?  The contract relative to other similar players would seem to be vital information to form an opinion on it.

 

[sneakyray]

jeff carter got a 1st plus jack johnson in the midst of his worst season where he was not playing (cause he was hurt) and had reportedly given up on his team.

don't see how phil is worth any less.

 

[Manson]

If you don't have much knowledge of that stuff how can you call it a good or bad contract?  The contract relative to other similar players would seem to be vital information to form an opinion on it.

I don't follow the financial side of things as closely as some of you, but I'm fairly certain $8M/yr is what franchise players are getting.  My view of Kessel is that he's a complimentary player getting franchise player money.  I'd be especially worried about the latter half of that contract as he enters his early and mid 30's.  If he was $7M/yr for 5 more years, that would be much better.

 

[Manson]

jeff carter got a 1st plus jack johnson in the midst of his worst season where he was not playing (cause he was hurt) and had reportedly given up on his team.

don't see how phil is worth any less.

I don't know, what did Carter's remaining contract look like?

 

[Frank E]

jeff carter got a 1st plus jack johnson in the midst of his worst season where he was not playing (cause he was hurt) and had reportedly given up on his team.

don't see how phil is worth any less.

I don't know, what did Carter's remaining contract look like?

I think that's a fair question, but Kessel's contract is very reasonable given his production over the past few years.  It's a commitment, and teams should be wary of such a long commitment, but I'm of the opinion that he's not overpaid.

I think he should fetch quite a return given his history of producing being the only real elite offensive weapon on a lousy team in the recent past.

 

[Manson]

I think that's a fair question, but Kessel's contract is very reasonable given his production over the past few years.  It's a commitment, and teams should be wary of such a long commitment, but I'm of the opinion that he's not overpaid.

I think he should fetch quite a return given his history of producing being the only real elite offensive weapon on a lousy team in the recent past.

I don't think he's all that "overpaid" on a per season basis at the moment, maybe slightly, it's more the term in combination with it.  In other words, it's not bad now, but it will be.

 

[Kin]

I don't follow the financial side of things as closely as some of you, but I'm fairly certain $8M/yr is what franchise players are getting.  My view of Kessel is that he's a complimentary player getting franchise player money.

Then you're fairly certainly wrong. Franchise players like Toews and Kane are getting 10.5 million. PK Subban got 9. Any franchise player making less than that either A) signed their deal before the current CBA or B) were RFA's and their deals aren't comparable to UFA deals.

 

[sneakyray]

carters contract at the time of the trade had 10 years at 5.25 cap hit left

 

[Deebo]

jeff carter got a 1st plus jack johnson in the midst of his worst season where he was not playing (cause he was hurt) and had reportedly given up on his team.

don't see how phil is worth any less.

I don't know, what did Carter's remaining contract look like?

It had 10 years left on it, it runs until he is 37 and has potential cap recapture penalties if he retires early. Cap hit is lower than Kessel's though.