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Game 19: Leafs @ Sens, 7:00pm - CBC

leafplasma said:
Come on now, two of those goals were complete flukes.  Even Greening was surprised as he said in his interview, give your head a shake and go watch the replay if your eyes deceived you the first time.

Greening was surprised because he was expecting Scrivens to grab and hold that puck like a NHL goalie should.
 
This was the sort of game that could really have benefited from some more leadership on the ice, too.  It's one thing to come out and play a bad first ten minutes, but the Leafs just don't snap out of it very easily.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
leafplasma said:
Come on now, two of those goals were complete flukes.  Even Greening was surprised as he said in his interview, give your head a shake and go watch the replay if your eyes deceived you the first time.

Greening was surprised because he was expecting Scrivens to grab and hold that puck like a NHL goalie should.

Yes, because every stop a goalie makes is gloved instantly.  Those two goals were a result of the Sens going hard to the net.  If the body is taken earlier the puck falls at Scrivens feet where he freezes it.  If you and a few others are trying to blame Scrivens for this loss then I don't know what else to say.  Goaltending was far from the reason the Leafs lost tonight.
 
Beowulf said:
leafplasma said:
  Goaltending was far from the reason the Leafs lost tonight.

Maybe, but it was clearly the reason the Leafs ended up with 0 points instead of at least 1.

Not the way I see it, I think Scrivens held them in the game and gave them a chance to win.  We have one goal tipped in and two competel and utter Sen bounces in close after the initial save. To blame that on goaltending when last year we were seeing weak goals going in on a nightly basis is being very shortsighted in my estimation.  The leafs had no business being in that game from the get go.
 
leafplasma said:
If you and a few others are trying to blame Scrivens for this loss then I don't know what else to say

No one's putting the loss all on Scrivens but that goal was absolutely caused because he couldn't play a rebound on a very simple shot.
 
Well, that sucked... Though Bert's bought me a pint and we were introduced to Eugene Melnyk who was gracious enough for a photo in spite of our Leafs gear so that was cool..
(I'll share when I get home.)
 
There was an instance in near the end of one of the penalty kills where Scrivens could have easily cleared the puck himself or handed off to one of the 4 Leafs in front of him.  Instead he held it with 1 second left in the penalty.  Ottawa won the draw and got a couple decent shots as a result.  I was thinking at the time this reluctance to play the puck during key situations would burn them sooner or later.
 
Some people blame the team. Some blame Scrivens.  Last night's game is on me guys.  I moved the converter and phone around all game looking for the right karma spot. Finally found it when I had Leafs tie it up but then I picked up the phone and started texting.  Total brain cramp. Sorry.
 
You can blame Scrivens all you want but I feel that Bishop wasn't worked all that hard. If they leafs don't start figuring out how to kick teams when they're down ,they will always need to win miracle games against tougher opponents just to get to a spot in the standings where they should be in the first place. This is the type of game that starts their mini slumps of recent years.
 
I like the way Carlyle has them playing for the most part this season but last night is the second game this year where i felt he had brain cramps and was outcoached.
 
caveman said:
I like the way Carlyle has them playing for the most part this season but last night is the second game this year where i felt he had brain cramps and was outcoached.

Well, he is also human and we're all prone to mistakes, but I agree with this point. He did do a few things that made me shake my head.

Also, I didn't think the Leafs were as physical as they have been in win games. I didn't look at any stats in the boxscore, but I thought the sens won the battles and were first on the puck most of the night.

One factor that I did mention last night was that I thought the puck was all over the place. It was bouncing over sticks, rolling and not sitting on the ice for anybody, which I thought ruined quite a few chances to score.
 
Rob said:
Well, that sucked... Though Bert's bought me a pint and we were introduced to Eugene Melnyk who was gracious enough for a photo in spite of our Leafs gear so that was cool..
(I'll share when I get home.)

Bert's is a great place to catch a game, that's for sure. :)

Have fun.
 
Ottawa out-played Toronto all night and deserved to win. Scrivens' decision to spazz-out on the final shot was questionable.
 
Stickytape said:
This was the sort of game that could really have benefited from some more leadership on the ice, too.  It's one thing to come out and play a bad first ten minutes, but the Leafs just don't snap out of it very easily.

I don't think vauge, unquantifiable things that we can have no idea about are what cost the Leafs last ngiht.
 
caveman said:
I like the way Carlyle has them playing for the most part this season but last night is the second game this year where i felt he had brain cramps and was outcoached.

For what it's worth he took responsibility today and admitted it was a mistake not calling the timeout before that fatal faceoff play.  I have to respect him for that.
 
pnjunction said:
caveman said:
I like the way Carlyle has them playing for the most part this season but last night is the second game this year where i felt he had brain cramps and was outcoached.

For what it's worth he took responsibility today and admitted it was a mistake not calling the timeout before that fatal faceoff play.  I have to respect him for that.

Agreed.
 
comedy of errors led to the last goal...i was sooo pissed when it happened.

scrivens doesn't play the puck with 30 seconds left with no pressure and his 2 d-men right in front of him.  ok whatever, you want a faceoff I can see that (but in hindsight would have been nice to have control of the puck behind the net there).  Then grabs comes out to take the draw, no time out, no plan, and your 2 best faceoff men on the bench.  Then, lose the faceoff cleanly, let the forward to the front of the net and have the goalie not be able to hold on to a puck shot right into his crest.

terrible...but these are the types of things that the leafs need to overcome in order to be a playoff type team (and I would say they have for the most part this season).  These are points now that the leafs will have to make up at some point.

can't wait for reimer, frattin and lupul to be back and going!
 

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