herman said:
Zaitsev and Hainsey were the Dothraki.
Game of Thrones (S8)
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Zaitsev and Hainsey were the Dothraki.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Fantastic episode, Arya got the dagger last week and gave it this week.
herman
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WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Spoiler Alert on this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqH7028hvlM
Hard to see, but it was
The music is also the second time Ramin Djawadi used the piano (Light of the Seven was the first in the Sept of Baelor season 6), I think, and it got very Westworldy for me. There?s the Stark motif woven into the bass line about 2:30 in too.
Kin
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I get the sense that the episode will be somewhat divisive. Personally I think there was a lot of good(especially related to Arya), a lot of not so good(the incoherence of a lot of the action) and some silly(the hundred or so "Oh no, an important character is about to die....psych!" moments)
Personally, I thought it was a little underwhelming in emotional stakes even as they knocked it out of the park technically. For a show that tended to really establish both sides of a conflict a battle between people we like and mindless, motivationless zombies didn't really do it for me.
Personally, I thought it was a little underwhelming in emotional stakes even as they knocked it out of the park technically. For a show that tended to really establish both sides of a conflict a battle between people we like and mindless, motivationless zombies didn't really do it for me.
Bullfrog
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That's why Arya's been my favorite character since the beginning. I mean, it was totally ridiculous, but still, she's awesome.
The music was the best part of the show.
I understand the theme of the confusion and chaos of war, but that doesn't really translate into a show. We watched on a high-res projector, and it was mostly just blurs.
The music was the best part of the show.
I understand the theme of the confusion and chaos of war, but that doesn't really translate into a show. We watched on a high-res projector, and it was mostly just blurs.
Boston Leaf
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i love GOT but I struggled with all the darkness and truly seeing what was going on at times. I will rewatch as I always do a couple of more times but I was disappointed in the darkness (not the content)
herman
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Nik the Trik said:
I think that?s why they went this route, vs the alternative.
Martin wrote ASoIaF on the premise of what happens after something like Return of the King in LotR. You can hear that come through in Sansa as well as Dany?s handling of Tyrion.
The first two episodes were very GoT seasons 1-4 (political positioning, people talking and having real individual motivations), and this one was very GoT season 6-7 (plot and technical spectacle).
Kin
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herman said:
The alternative of making the Night King have real motivations or be anything other than just evil incarnate? I'm not sure what purpose that serves other than making people less interested in the outcome especially when the consequences amounted to little more than a pile of red shirt extras.
bustaheims
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Nik the Trik said:
That's the biggest disappointment for me. At least one really significant character (and, by that, I mean someone who is still relevant to the larger story - Theon, Jorah, etc. are not) needed to die last night. Obviously, they were going to defeat the Night King - as dark as the show has been, it was never going to end with "everyone and everything dies." It just happened in such an anticlimactic fashion - which, I guess, is sort of classic Game of Thrones. Something that seems like it'll be extremely consequential turns out to be pretty mundane, while something seemingly ordinary carries huge consequences.
The episode for me was a joy to watch and experience, but yeah thinking about it the next day it did leave me wanting more. I figured after 3 episodes we'd 1) have solved the mysteries of the Night King and 2) have seen the main characters face some serious consequences leading up to the "last war".
In terms of #1, there really weren't any. I guess they still have time to maybe expand on that if Bran does something weird but I don't see them going that route. In terms of #2, they're more or less in the same boat as they were when the season started. Their armies, particularly the Dothraki, have considerably thinned out but I still feel like there should have been a much greater cost for dealing with the army of the dead as opposed to dealing with Cersei. I mean Dany still has 2 dragons so army or not worst case scenario she can still use them against Cersei's army even though she (or her advisers) wanted to avoid that. Maybe having the dragons bite it in this one would have been a good idea so they're seen as more of an underdog in what comes next.
All in all it just feels like a bit of a waste of 3 of the final 6 episodes. One small change that I would have made would have been to focus more on Jon's admission that he's Aegon Targaryen. We could have seen a real conversation between Dany and Jon about that and what it means going forward. That could have built some real tension between the two, and then maybe in the battle at Winterfell there could have been a scene where Jon was about to die and we see Dany hesitate to save him because she knows he's a threat to the throne. Maybe she does end up saving him, or maybe she doesn't and Jon survives anyway but knows Dany didn't want to help. Damn, this is gold, brb gotta write up my alternate universe fan-fic.
In terms of #1, there really weren't any. I guess they still have time to maybe expand on that if Bran does something weird but I don't see them going that route. In terms of #2, they're more or less in the same boat as they were when the season started. Their armies, particularly the Dothraki, have considerably thinned out but I still feel like there should have been a much greater cost for dealing with the army of the dead as opposed to dealing with Cersei. I mean Dany still has 2 dragons so army or not worst case scenario she can still use them against Cersei's army even though she (or her advisers) wanted to avoid that. Maybe having the dragons bite it in this one would have been a good idea so they're seen as more of an underdog in what comes next.
All in all it just feels like a bit of a waste of 3 of the final 6 episodes. One small change that I would have made would have been to focus more on Jon's admission that he's Aegon Targaryen. We could have seen a real conversation between Dany and Jon about that and what it means going forward. That could have built some real tension between the two, and then maybe in the battle at Winterfell there could have been a scene where Jon was about to die and we see Dany hesitate to save him because she knows he's a threat to the throne. Maybe she does end up saving him, or maybe she doesn't and Jon survives anyway but knows Dany didn't want to help. Damn, this is gold, brb gotta write up my alternate universe fan-fic.
CarltonTheBear said:
The origin of the Night King was revealed, in season 5 I believe. He was created by the children of the forest to help destroy the foreign invaders. (The first men, whose descendants ended up being the Northmen, Wildlings, Ironborn, etc.)
It always seemed to me that the Night King was motivated by the purpose he was created for and that's why there was no negotiating or reasoning with him, he was interested in nothing but destroying the first men and later the Andals.
The CotF created them and ended up losing control of them.
Deebo said:
Yeah I meant moreso something beyond "big bad villain wants to destroy everything just because". I get that this is a problem of some fandoms in general trying to speculate on things but there were some pretty cool/wild theories about the Night King that would have really added a lot of depth to the character. They decided to make him a cardboard cutout of every other villain instead.
edit: Putting it another way, I was expecting Thanos and we got Ultron
Bullfrog
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CarltonTheBear said:
I wasn't clear on that. I mean, I think I saw a dragon get injured, but couldn't really tell.
And why did Bran warg? I thought ravens flying into the sky was going to have, you know, significance. Or, I'd have settled for a least an explanation.
And WTH was Snow running alongside the Dothraki? Wouldn't it make more sense for him to protect Bran, since he couldn't be with Jon (flying and somehow managing to hold on to a cold, hard dragon and all that jazz). I guess he just felt like running with with the horses, as canines do?
Kin
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Bullfrog said:
You might enjoy this:
https://www.wired.com/story/game-of-thrones-winterfell-battle-tactical-analysis/