General Leafs Talk

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

I'm sure that MLSE is very aware of each players' endorsements, and would have to approve such endorsements and their placements.

For all we know, MLSE may even get money from Red Bull for allowing their player to wear it during locker room interviews. 

These players are all in the hockey business to make money, as MLSE is in it, so to me this is a non-issue and really none of my business.

I agree. Since these are professionals I am assuming each player's contract outlines what obligations that player has to the team. I bet that includes wearing/endorsing 3rd party  logos and such.

Honestly, as long as he is not wearing another team's hat, who really cares (though obviously Raptors or FC would be allowed).

 

[Kin]

I'm sure that MLSE is very aware of each players' endorsements, and would have to approve such endorsements and their placements.

For all we know, MLSE may even get money from Red Bull for allowing their player to wear it during locker room interviews. 

These players are all in the hockey business to make money, as MLSE is in it, so to me this is a non-issue and really none of my business.

Well, the thing that immediately jumped out at me about this is that, like you, I would have assumed that the team and the League would have a very strict policy about what can and can't be worn in the locker rooms. Red Bull is innocuous enough but I'm guessing they'd be less thrilled if Tim Thomas chose to wore a hat bearing the logo of whatever radical separatist militia he's a member of.

That said I'd be pretty sure that whatever deal Phaneuf has with Red Bull is completely indepedant of the Leafs. The League would definitely not think it was on the up and up cap wise if there was something between the three parties. 

 

[Deebo]

I'm sure that MLSE is very aware of each players' endorsements, and would have to approve such endorsements and their placements.

For all we know, MLSE may even get money from Red Bull for allowing their player to wear it during locker room interviews. 

These players are all in the hockey business to make money, as MLSE is in it, so to me this is a non-issue and really none of my business.

I agree. Since these are professionals I am assuming each player's contract outlines what obligations that player has to the team. I bet that includes wearing/endorsing 3rd party  logos and such.

Honestly, as long as he is not wearing another team's hat, who really cares (though obviously Raptors or FC would be allowed).

I remember during one of the flyers vs. leafs series, a minor fuss was made when a member of the raptors was wearing a flyers cap during a post game interview.

 

[Frank E]

I'm sure that MLSE is very aware of each players' endorsements, and would have to approve such endorsements and their placements.

For all we know, MLSE may even get money from Red Bull for allowing their player to wear it during locker room interviews. 

These players are all in the hockey business to make money, as MLSE is in it, so to me this is a non-issue and really none of my business.

Well, the thing that immediately jumped out at me about this is that, like you, I would have assumed that the team and the League would have a very strict policy about what can and can't be worn in the locker rooms. Red Bull is innocuous enough but I'm guessing they'd be less thrilled if Tim Thomas chose to wore a hat bearing the logo of whatever radical separatist militia he's a member of.

That said I'd be pretty sure that whatever deal Phaneuf has with Red Bull is completely indepedant of the Leafs. The League would definitely not think it was on the up and up cap wise if there was something between the three parties.

Good point on the cap thing...I mean, 'salary' cap.

 

[Brian Glennie]

Apparently the marketing people at Redbull don't follow hockey.

 

[Britishbulldog]

Apparently the marketing people at Redbull don't follow hockey.

Ouch!  Poor Dion.

 

[lamajama]

Do they make money off the hats?

Do the Leafs make money off of Leafs hats? I assume so.

Every two weeks, no? 

 

[Tigger]

But that's Cox's whole point

Then he doesn't really have a point, it's extremely unlikely that the Leafs as an organization aren't aware of the situation and are allowing it to happen.

Number of Maple Leaf crests in commercial: 2
Number of Nike swooshes in commercial: 0, as far as I could see

Touch of the Asperger's today?

 

[Kin]

Then he doesn't really have a point, it's extremely unlikely that the Leafs as an organization aren't aware of the situation and are allowing it to happen.

Clearly not one that you're grasping. He's not claiming that Phaneuf is doing this in secret or without permission.

Touch of the Asperger's today?

Yes. Serious business this.

 

[Tigger]

Then he doesn't really have a point, it's extremely unlikely that the Leafs as an organization aren't aware of the situation and are allowing it to happen.

Clearly not one that you're grasping. He's not claiming that Phaneuf is doing this in secret or without permission.

If he has permission from the team how is he putting himself ahead of them?

 

[Kin]

If he has permission from the team how is he putting himself ahead of them?

He's choosing to promote the company he endorses instead of the Leafs. That the Leafs haven't expressly forbid it doesn't make it less true.

But I understand that you don't think it's a big deal. You've made that clear.

 

[TML fan]

The effort this team has displayed to close out the year has been nothing short of heartless and embarrassing. It will be interesting to see who survives the summer.

As I said in the game day thread, this draft pick better be worth this crap.

 

[Peter D.]

I am all for the tank, but I am absolutely perplexed as to how this season has played out: 

First in the league for a while; we all knew it wasn't going to last, but they were showing signs they may be better than we thought.

Then they slipped to 4th/5th in the conference and all was still well.

Then up to February they were 7th in the conference/  Heading into the danger zone with marginal room for error, but I thought there was no way they could miss the playoffs.  Just win their share of games and things would be okay.

How they have fallen completely off the map into a lottery position in such a short period is completely mind-boggling.

We've had to endure some craptacular seasons over the years, but I don't recall a season that has completely fizzled the way this one has.  It's really tough to swallow.  I can't help but feel that this team is helpless at this point.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Meh, his opinion means next to nothing to me.  He meddled with upper management when he was a player so talking about things not being about himself seems a little bit pot calling the kettle black.

Agreed - Domi should be the last guy making comments on other players character. As Torts would put it -"What Tie needs to do is shut-up"

Domi should shaddup.... exactly.... Domi only shows character when the cameras are on. Otherwise.... hes a knob.... he sold me on that when he snubbed a bunch of 9 year olds... a whole team of em ... if he reads this, he knnows its true... Mimico arena..... asshat... Tie is about Tie, make no mistake

He might not have the greatest reputation but I don't think it cheapens what he says - it's all pretty true.

I like Domi.  Met him once in person, when he was with his family (at some point in the '90's).  He seemed to have matured since his earliest days as a player.  (I have #28 on my one of my Leaf sweaters, BTW, with D-O-M-I on the back.  Not necessarily my favourite Leaf, but a likeable player).

Well, in consideration of his comments regarding this lost Leaf season, I agree fully, too.

I remember back in the late '70's-early '80's, when Rick Vaive was playing for the Leafs, he was quoted as having said that..."if you make $100,000 a year, and can't get motivated, something's wrong"...

At that time, $100,000/year seemed like a hefty sum.  Today, even a rookie who has played barely 10 games with the squad makes more!

I don't carry much empathy for this year's team.  I'm still shaking my head in disbelief at the incredulous and stupendouly dismal results of what our supposed hockey team has achieved.

In one word. drivel.  Wake up. Leafs & MLSE!! 

 

[hockeyfan1]

This makes me cry...(for the Leafs, not the Habs, well, sort of...)...  :-X

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=Ar9piy0lIFiW0az08IA0bb17vLYF?slug=nc-3periods-montreal-canadiens-toronto-maple-leafs-032912

They are the crown jewels of the National Hockey League and iconic institutions of Canadian culture. The Montreal Canadiens and Toronto Maple Leafs have won more Stanley Cups than anyone else ? the Habs 24, the Leafs 13. They have proud traditions and passionate fans. They sell out every game and rake in the revenue.

But the Habs haven?t held the Cup since 1993, the last time a Canadian team won a championship, and the Leafs haven?t done it since 1967, giving them the longest drought in the league. And now they have plummeted to the bottom of the Eastern Conference ? the Habs last, the Leafs second-to-last.

The situations are different. But the common thread is simple: The present does not live up to the past, and the best way to recapture old glory is to build like a modern NHL team.

But the fact remains that the NHL is now a 30-team, salary-capped, multicultural league. It is harder to win than ever before. It is especially harder to win with certain types of people ? the Habs with francophones, to appeal to the majority of their audience; the Leafs with Ontarians, to appeal to Don Cherry.

There are no advantages to Montreal and Toronto. The owners can?t spend more there than they can anywhere else. But there are no excuses, either, despite the higher expectations and greater pressure that threaten to suffocate the coaches and players.

It?s the same for the Habs and Leafs as it is for everyone. It comes down to good management ? drafting and developing, signing and trading, doing it all within your vision and the confines of the cap.

Burke deserves more time, but not much more. Although Wilson was his college teammate, he inherited him. He didn?t hire him. Now he has hired Randy Carlyle, his Cup coach in Anaheim, who shares his hard-hockey philosophy. He needs to give him players who fit that philosophy, too, and he needs to do it this summer.

?I don?t know if some of our newer fans understand the significance of the Toronto Maple Leafs,? Burke told me in February, in happier times. ?It is one of the great sports brands in the history of the world.

?If we went to some remote village in South America and sat on a stone wall, the first thing that walked by us ? a baseball cap, a T-shirt ? would be one of these teams: New York Yankees, Dallas Cowboys, Boston Celtics, Manchester United and the Toronto Maple Leafs.?

Burke might have mentioned the Montreal Canadiens instead. No matter. In this context, they?re one and the same.

?We have not had recent success, but that doesn?t change the fact that this was one of the dominant, dominant teams in the ?40s, ?50s and ?60s,? Burke said. ?We need to get back to that level of competition.?

We?re waiting.

So..am..I.

 

[bustaheims]

I am all for the tank, but I am absolutely perplexed as to how this season has played out: 

First in the league for a while; we all knew it wasn't going to last, but they were showing signs they may be better than we thought.

Then they slipped to 4th/5th in the conference and all was still well.

Then up to February they were 7th in the conference/  Heading into the danger zone with marginal room for error, but I thought there was no way they could miss the playoffs.  Just win their share of games and things would be okay.

How they have fallen completely off the map into a lottery position in such a short period is completely mind-boggling.

We've had to endure some craptacular seasons over the years, but I don't recall a season that has completely fizzled the way this one has.  It's really tough to swallow.  I can't help but feel that this team is helpless at this point.

It truly is crazy. If they had even been a .500 team over this stretch, they'd be holding the 8th spot right now. A few games over, and they'd be pretty comfortably in the playoffs - possibly in position to clinch a spot with these back to backs against the Sabres. Really, just mind-boggling.

 

[leafsjunkie]

I'm surprised nobody is talking about this (at least I couldn't see anyone talking about it in other threads) but there is a rumor that there is a rift in the dressing room between Phaneuf and Schenn (Heard it on the fan590 this morning) and one of the reasons Phaneuf may have gone after Brayden last night is to spite Luke. I have no idea if this is true obviously, but something to ponder/discuss.

 

[maplesyrup]

I'm surprised nobody is talking about this (at least I couldn't see anyone talking about it in other threads) but there is a rumor that there is a rift in the dressing room between Phaneuf and Schenn (Heard it on the fan590 this morning) and one of the reasons Phaneuf may have gone after Brayden last night is to spite Luke. I have no idea if this is true obviously, but something to ponder/discuss.

Ahem!

Just chatting with a colleague who just raised a point I hadn't previously considered when trying to explain the epic flame-out.... He wondered if at some point this off-season, rumors (maybe based on some truth) will surface regarding a major rift in the room.  :-\ Obviously we have no way of knowing right now but it's at least something to consider watching out for this spring/summer. 

 

[Zee]

I'm surprised nobody is talking about this (at least I couldn't see anyone talking about it in other threads) but there is a rumor that there is a rift in the dressing room between Phaneuf and Schenn (Heard it on the fan590 this morning) and one of the reasons Phaneuf may have gone after Brayden last night is to spite Luke. I have no idea if this is true obviously, but something to ponder/discuss.

Ahem!

Just chatting with a colleague who just raised a point I hadn't previously considered when trying to explain the epic flame-out.... He wondered if at some point this off-season, rumors (maybe based on some truth) will surface regarding a major rift in the room.  :-\ Obviously we have no way of knowing right now but it's at least something to consider watching out for this spring/summer. 

Wonder what the rift in the dressing room is, who's the worse d-man?  "I am, no I am"!  Love how all these 'rifts in the dressing room' stories come out for teams in disarray.

 

[rdowdall]

I'm surprised nobody is talking about this (at least I couldn't see anyone talking about it in other threads) but there is a rumor that there is a rift in the dressing room between Phaneuf and Schenn (Heard it on the fan590 this morning) and one of the reasons Phaneuf may have gone after Brayden last night is to spite Luke. I have no idea if this is true obviously, but something to ponder/discuss.

Ahem!

Just chatting with a colleague who just raised a point I hadn't previously considered when trying to explain the epic flame-out.... He wondered if at some point this off-season, rumors (maybe based on some truth) will surface regarding a major rift in the room.  :-\ Obviously we have no way of knowing right now but it's at least something to consider watching out for this spring/summer. 

Wonder what the rift in the dressing room is, who's the worse d-man?  "I am, no I am"!  Love how all these 'rifts in the dressing room' stories come out for teams in disarray.

Can't wait until there is the obligatory tale of indiscretion between significant others.