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Goaltending conundrum

Potvin29 said:
leafplasma said:
You know in watching the all-star game and seeing how badly a goalie can look when the d in front of you just isn't there.  I am not saying that the all-star game does not have a talented group of dman, that could not be further from the case.  However, an all-star game of course is a d going through the motions, a D that doesn't take the body, a D that is not sound positionally or one that looks like they are running around. It kind of reinforces the fact that a good defensive system provided there is some degree of defensive talent there can make a goalie look better.  Some of the goals yesterday, kind of looked like our Leafs during some bad times, , Raycroft and Toskala era, pre-Reimer last season and pre-Gus of late.  Our D has since tightened up and our goaltending is reeking the benefits.  It is why you see good goalies often disappoint when they sign that big UFA contract with a new team after having left a sound defensive juggernaut.  It is why you see a guy like Rask look invincible in Boston, he certainly is a good young goalie but would he really put up close to those numbers in Toronto with our system.  It is why a guy like Elliot is flourishing in St. Louis right now under Hitchcock when going into this season he signed a two way deal and was not even guaranteed an NHL job.

Nothing really mind-blowing stated here, just something that went through my mind last night in watching the all-stars and the poor goalies being hung out to dry.
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Also remember - the goalies aren't trying.
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I am sure a bit of that is a factor but I would say that the goalies look to be maybe the only ones trying out there aside from the obvious skills competition breakaway challenge.
 
Potvin29 said:
leafplasma said:
You know in watching the all-star game and seeing how badly a goalie can look when the d in front of you just isn't there.  I am not saying that the all-star game does not have a talented group of dman, that could not be further from the case.  However, an all-star game of course is a d going through the motions, a D that doesn't take the body, a D that is not sound positionally or one that looks like they are running around. It kind of reinforces the fact that a good defensive system provided there is some degree of defensive talent there can make a goalie look better.  Some of the goals yesterday, kind of looked like our Leafs during some bad times, , Raycroft and Toskala era, pre-Reimer last season and pre-Gus of late.  Our D has since tightened up and our goaltending is reeking the benefits.  It is why you see good goalies often disappoint when they sign that big UFA contract with a new team after having left a sound defensive juggernaut.  It is why you see a guy like Rask look invincible in Boston, he certainly is a good young goalie but would he really put up close to those numbers in Toronto with our system.  It is why a guy like Elliot is flourishing in St. Louis right now under Hitchcock when going into this season he signed a two way deal and was not even guaranteed an NHL job.

Nothing really mind-blowing stated here, just something that went through my mind last night in watching the all-stars and the poor goalies being hung out to dry.
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Also remember - the goalies aren't trying.
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Well, except Timmy T.
 
groundskeeper willie said:
wc17 said:
So do the Leafs go with Reims again on Saturday or go back to the monster?
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How do you bench a guy after a shutout when you are supposedly going with a 'win and you're in' system?
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Yes sir.  Keep Reimer in.
 
bustaheims said:
wc17 said:
So do the Leafs go with Reims again on Saturday or go back to the monster?
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Standard shutout protocol. Go back to Reimer on Saturday.
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When the back-up goalie gets a shutout?  I'm not so sure, particularly when it wasn't exactly a "dominating performance".  Though I would of course understand the reasoning if they went back to him.
 
Strangelove said:
When the back-up goalie gets a shutout?  I'm not so sure, particularly when it wasn't exactly a "dominating performance".  Though I would of course understand the reasoning if they went back to him.
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Yes, even when the back up goalie gets it. A shutout is a shutout. That goalie starts the next game.
 
bustaheims said:
Strangelove said:
When the back-up goalie gets a shutout?  I'm not so sure, particularly when it wasn't exactly a "dominating performance".  Though I would of course understand the reasoning if they went back to him.
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Yes, even when the back up goalie gets it. A shutout is a shutout. That goalie starts the next game.
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On three different occasions this year Rask posted a shutout and the Bruins went back to Tim Thomas the next game.

Edit: Actually, I believe it is four times, though for two of them is was Thomas posting the shutout and Rask starting next.  Same difference though.
 
Important game on Saturday, especially if the Sens lose Friday night.  Then it will mean the Leafs can leap the Sens in the standings with a win.  I know Reimer got a shutout, but Gustavsson has been giving the Leafs solid goaltending for over a month now.  Is Reimer really back?  Are we willing to take that chance?
 
Strangelove said:
On three different occasions this year Rask posted a shutout and the Bruins went back to Tim Thomas the next game.

Edit: Actually, I believe it is four times, though for two of them is was Thomas posting the shutout and Rask starting next.  Same difference though.
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Then the Bruins are risking the wrath of the hockey gods and will surely pay for their blasphemy once the playoffs start.
 
bustaheims said:
Strangelove said:
On three different occasions this year Rask posted a shutout and the Bruins went back to Tim Thomas the next game.

Edit: Actually, I believe it is four times, though for two of them is was Thomas posting the shutout and Rask starting next.  Same difference though.
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Then the Bruins are risking the wrath of the hockey gods and will surely pay for their blasphemy once the playoffs start.
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May the heavens rain fire upon them.
 
It's a tough call due to Reim's SO... I would go with the Monster though. Reimer had a subpar game last time out against Ott allowed 3 goals on 20 shots when the Leafs sorely outplayed Ott. Not to mention his 5 goals allowed in the 3rd against Ott early in Oct (yes a while ago but represents little success against them this yr). Gustavsson has been playing pretty well of late, give him the shot and play Reimer on Mon or Tues during the B2B.
 
proteus2000 said:
It's a tough call due to Reim's SO... I would go with the Monster though. Reimer had a subpar game last time out against Ott allowed 3 goals on 20 shots when the Leafs sorely outplayed Ott. Not to mention his 5 goals allowed in the 3rd against Ott early in Oct (yes a while ago but represents little success against them this yr). Gustavsson has been playing pretty well of late, give him the shot and play Reimer on Mon or Tues during the B2B.
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I think so too.  Let Reimer enjoy the good performance for a few days, if he goes back in on Saturday and has a bad game then he's back to square one.  Gustavsson has been playing all the pressure games for a while now and I think he'll be ready to go.
 
proteus2000 said:
It's a tough call due to Reim's SO... I would go with the Monster though. Reimer had a subpar game last time out against Ott allowed 3 goals on 20 shots when the Leafs sorely outplayed Ott. Not to mention his 5 goals allowed in the 3rd against Ott early in Oct (yes a while ago but represents little success against them this yr). Gustavsson has been playing pretty well of late, give him the shot and play Reimer on Mon or Tues during the B2B.
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I agree with this wholeheartedly.  Reimer has earned himself another start in the near future, but I would still give the Ottawa game to the Monster.
 
It's nice to have the dilemma on this side of the coin for a change rather than going with the one who essentially sucks less!
 
Arn said:
It's nice to have the dilemma on this side of the coin for a change rather than going with the one who essentially sucks less!
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I'm not sure we can call it a dilemma just yet.  Last night's game wasn't exactly a heavy workload for Reimer where he made a number of spectacular saves.  He saved what he had to, but don't forget that the Pens hit 3 posts.  Any one of those goes in and it's a different story. It's great that he got the shutout, but it was a fairly mild performance from the Pens. 
 
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