Goaltending Showdown - Reimer vs. Bernier

[Redleaf]

Should we start this.......ahh. Never mind.

 

[L K]

My only stance on the goaltending "showdown" is that we have two really good goalies. We shouldn't make Reimer sit for 2 weeks between starts.  Bernier is more positionally sound, but Reimer has better reflex response. 

What bothers me about commentator discussion on Reimer is that he doesn't have a bad glove hand...he does struggle to catch pucks with the glove, but he doesn't get beat high glove any more than the average goaltender.  It's definitely not his stretch but to characterize it as this massive weakness is silly.  You don't put up a career .915 SV% with >100GP if you have a fundamental flaw in your game.  NHL players are too good to not exploit something like that.

 

[sickbeast]

Reimer played great yesterday but Bernier nearly put up two shutouts in a row last week.  Even against weak teams that is impressive.

I think that both of them are great.  I say just keep things going the way they are right now.  If one of them has a bad night, give the other goalie a chance to play a couple of games.

 

[Bullfrog]

He only made 10 saves in one of those games. Reimer made 26 in one period. I think that's more impressive.

 

[Boston Leaf]

Im just glad both are playing well right now. A good tandem.. But if the Leafs had to win one game to make playoffs with all things equal Id go Bernier..But really who cares as long as they both win

 

[sickbeast]

Reimer is the more likable guy between the two of them and he also plays with more passion.  I much prefer watching Reimer.  He's exciting to watch.  Bernier is calm cool and collected whereas with Reimer it's an all out battle when he is in the net.

 

[Arn]

I'd agree with that. I always more enjoy watching the exciting goalies. The reason they're exciting is probably because they're not as technically sound so get themselves out of position at times and hence need the acrobatics.

And as long as they give the team a chance to win that's all you can ask of either of them.

 

[Highlander]

Good article from Mirtle about goalies not playing back to back games, even the very best see their save percentages go down (not dramatically but down), so statically proven to be better to break up the back to back games and Leafs have  a lot more of those to deal with this year.
Worked on Saturday!

 

[freer]

Good article from Mirtle about goalies not playing back to back games, even the very best see their save percentages go down (not dramatically but down), so statically proven to be better to break up the back to back games and Leafs have  a lot more of those to deal with this year.
Worked on Saturday!

It will be all in good fun to watch our two goalies play it out. I honestly hope Reimer gets some more starts.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Good article from Mirtle about goalies not playing back to back games, even the very best see their save percentages go down (not dramatically but down), so statically proven to be better to break up the back to back games and Leafs have  a lot more of those to deal with this year.
Worked on Saturday!

Statistically speaking, it?s almost never a good decision to start a goalie two nights in a row, and Bernier had started in Columbus on Friday.

Eric Tulsky, a hockey statistician and Harvard grad who?s now crunching numbers for NHL teams, did the definitive work on this question back in 2013. He compared the save percentages of rested goalies playing the second game of a back-to-back to tired goalies playing the second game and found that the rested goalies outperformed them dramatically.

On average, the tired goalies? save percentage was only .901, well below the league average. The rested goalies? was .912, which is closer to what you should expect from a capable backup. That?s a difference of preventing an extra goal every three games, which really adds up over a season.

This is a good of thumb for the Leafs to keep in mind, in particular, as they have 18 back-to-backs this year, tied for the third most in the NHL. The team?s new analytics group will likely advise coach Randy Carlyle that those should be 18 guaranteed starts for Reimer, regardless of how well Bernier is playing.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/mirtle-why-nhl-teams-should-never-play-a-tired-goalie/article21421674/

 

[bustaheims]

What bothers me about commentator discussion on Reimer is that he doesn't have a bad glove hand...he does struggle to catch pucks with the glove, but he doesn't get beat high glove any more than the average goaltender.  It's definitely not his stretch but to characterize it as this massive weakness is silly.  You don't put up a career .915 SV% with >100GP if you have a fundamental flaw in your game.  NHL players are too good to not exploit something like that.

This. A thousand times this.

 

[Joe S.]

Reimer played great yesterday but Bernier nearly put up two shutouts in a row last week.  Even against weak teams that is impressive.

I think that both of them are great.  I say just keep things going the way they are right now.  If one of them has a bad night, give the other goalie a chance to play a couple of games.

He only had 1 shutout

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Reimer played great yesterday but Bernier nearly put up two shutouts in a row last week.  Even against weak teams that is impressive.

I think that both of them are great.  I say just keep things going the way they are right now.  If one of them has a bad night, give the other goalie a chance to play a couple of games.

He only had 1 shutout

It's still morning.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

What bothers me about commentator discussion on Reimer is that he doesn't have a bad glove hand...he does struggle to catch pucks with the glove, but he doesn't get beat high glove any more than the average goaltender.  It's definitely not his stretch but to characterize it as this massive weakness is silly.  You don't put up a career .915 SV% with >100GP if you have a fundamental flaw in your game.  NHL players are too good to not exploit something like that.

Well it is by and large coming from commentators whose fundamental flaws were "being good in the NHL."

 

[nutman]

The title bugs me.. We have two solid goalies, and I feel comfortable with ether one in the net. So why are you calling it a showdown, when like I said last year we are set in goal no matter who is playing on any given night.

 

[Highlander]

I was at the Leafs-Yotes game in Glendale earlier this year and I would expect Bernier to get the call.  the score was 3-1 for the Buds and Bernier stoned them.  Most of their team spent the game shaking there heads at his display.
Would be nice if we had the same or better outcome tomorrow.
I do like Shane Doan though, would have been nice to see him as a Leaf, but that aint going to happen now.

 

[Tiger Williams]

What scares me is if the Leafs traded one of them away for a #1 or #2 centre - the remaining goalie gets injured and Leafs have no one solid in net.  Both are playing really well right now and have shown either one can keep the team in the game, it's a matter of the forwards and defencemen playing a decent defensive system.

 

[nutman]

Don't be surprised if Reimer takes the net back. All it will take is the team playing better defence, because his game is and confidence are back.

Wow! wont it be nice to not even care who is in net, knowing both our Goalies will stone most any teams, on any given night. Now all we need to do is figure out how to get the pylon to squeeze out them guys blowing bye him every game.

 

[freer]

either one is good for me.

 

[2badknees]

What scares me is if the Leafs traded one of them away for a #1 or #2 centre -

I think that if Reimer could have been traded for a #1 or #2 centre, it would have been done long ago.