Goaltending Showdown - Reimer vs. Bernier

[Kin]

That's a pretty basic logical fallacy known as an appeal to authority..

Well, sure, but the fundamental argument here is basically a different sort of logical fallacy known as an appeal to convention or argumentum ad populum. I don't see anyone actually making a convincing case for why it's bad outside of it not being the usual thing a coach does.

What we do know is that Carlyle's relationship with the goaltenders made Reimer ask for a trade after last season, which, to me, is a pretty clear indication that it's a good thing and, really, it's not working on the larger scale.

Well, no. We know that Reimer asked for a trade after a season where he lost the starter's job which is almost certainly going to cause friction and unhappiness regardless of what relationship a coach has with the player in question.

 

[Coco-puffs]

When this story originally broke a few days ago, Jamie MacLennan- former NHL goalie- said on That's Hockey that this is commonplace (Coach only telling the starter, even in a tandem situation) and there isn't anything wrong with it. 

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Bernier: 10 4 3 2 2.75 .913 1

Reimer:  7 4 2 0 2.65 .925 0


Toronto media being what it is, how long before they start declaring Reimer the number 1 and running with the 'comeback' and 'stealing back his net' stories?

 

[Arn]

Either way, I'm glad we have two goalies who regularly post Save % over 0.900

Remember Toskala, Gerber, Joseph, Pogge

 

[Zee]

Either way, I'm glad we have two goalies who regularly post Save % over 0.900

Remember Toskala, Gerber, Joseph, Pogge

Pogge had a pretty good season in Sweden last year, although if I were him I would have stayed in Italia.  Sure the hockey is better in Sweden, but come on, it's Italia!

 

[Highlander]

Let keep Pougge, Rask is just no damn good. The big P will solve all net problems for the next 10 years, that Rask is just a bum?JFJ (front lobe at the time)

 

[OldTimeHockey]

When this story originally broke a few days ago, Jamie MacLennan- former NHL goalie- said on That's Hockey that this is commonplace (Coach only telling the starter, even in a tandem situation) and there isn't anything wrong with it.

This!

Even in Midgets I was never told when I wasn't starting..I'd get the nod when it was my turn.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

When this story originally broke a few days ago, Jamie MacLennan- former NHL goalie- said on That's Hockey that this is commonplace (Coach only telling the starter, even in a tandem situation) and there isn't anything wrong with it.

That's because it was never McLennan.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

COME ON BERNY

http://deadspin.com/jonathan-bernier-humiliatingly-has-no-idea-who-nelson-m-1668629411?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

 

[Kin]

COME ON BERNY

http://deadspin.com/jonathan-bernier-humiliatingly-has-no-idea-who-nelson-m-1668629411?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Fancy book learnin' never stopped no pucks.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

COME ON BERNY

http://deadspin.com/jonathan-bernier-humiliatingly-has-no-idea-who-nelson-m-1668629411?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Fancy book learnin' never stopped no pucks.

I suppose it makes sense that somebody who isn't enlightened enough to know who Nelson Mandela was also isn't enlightened enough to realize that he ought to find that out before a Nelson Mandela function.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Leafs are probably going to have to make a move with Reimer sooner than later.  The amount they're paying him would be okay if he was playing more, but if he's just a straight up back-up to Bernier it's money the Leafs can't really afford against the cap.

 

[freer]

Leafs are probably going to have to make a move with Reimer sooner than later.  The amount they're paying him would be okay if he was playing more, but if he's just a straight up back-up to Bernier it's money the Leafs can't really afford against the cap.

I just hope that Reimers doesn't get trade too soon because I foresee an injury if Bernier continues playing the amount he is.

 

[TheMightyOdin]

COME ON BERNY

http://deadspin.com/jonathan-bernier-humiliatingly-has-no-idea-who-nelson-m-1668629411?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

So hard to watch. I had my palm firmly planted on my face.

 

[freer]

I will give him the benefit of language. Something must of come out wrong in the translation.

 

[Highlander]

In Quebec they call the English "Squareheads",  English call the Quebecois "Pepsi's" as they are not the real thing.  The world is awash in ignorance.

 

[Peter D.]

COME ON BERNY

http://deadspin.com/jonathan-bernier-humiliatingly-has-no-idea-who-nelson-m-1668629411?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Hmmm...  ;D

 

[freer]

I know that Reimer is the back up the debate is over, but boy oh boy this man is classy

http://video.mapleleafs.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=696335&catid=802

 

[2badknees]

They're about even, so barring injury, I think the starter should be chosen going forward based upon which has more knowledge of a random historical figure. First up: Sir Frederick Banting.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Both goalies scuffling right now.

@SteveBurtch 
Since shutting out Dallas on Dec 23rd, Bernier has gone 2-4-0 with an .883 SV%

@SteveBurtch 

In his last 4 starts (back to Dec 21st) Reimer is 0-4 with an .885 SV%