Gustavsson

[Zee]

I've been in this guy's corner for a while, but now with Reimer, his shine has worn off.  I think he should have been able to stop both of Hartnell's goals.  Yes, there were defensive lapses on one where Hartnell force his way into the crease, but Gustavsson needs to find a way to keep his leg there.  The 2nd Hartnell goal should have been stopped.  It's not a rocket of a shot.  Just a one-timer that was fairly easy to see.  He just missed it.  I think Reimer makes that save because he's bigger and positionally sound.

He made a huge toe save before Hartnell fell on him and scored, one could make an argument that Hartnell should have got a penalty there, snow angels'r'us wouldn't have helped him.

The one timer was a quick play, lots of goalies would have trouble with that, no stick from the Toronto defender ( Gardiner? ) on a nice back hand pass.

Yes, Gus did make a nice toe save just before that, but he must realize he has to keep his legs pressed hard against the goal post.  It was way too flimsy there.  I know it's easier said than done, but these guys are pros and they workout.  They should have the strength to do that.  Or at least do something.

The one-timer I still believe should have been stopped regardless if the defenseman put his stick in the way.  I was pretty pissed that went in. 

Either way, I think the Hartnell goals could have been prevented and the outcome could have been different for the game.  Gus did make some great saves last night and kept them in the game in the 1st, but he just can't do it for the whole game.  I mean, Reimer gives the team a chance to win throughout the whole game.  Gus will give up a bad goal here or there.

Watch the replay, Hartnell actually fell on Goose after the remarkable save ( no one pushed him either ) It's tough to do much of anything in that position, in fact Goose tried to let the refs know that after.

I just don't agree with your view on the second one either, nifty back hand pass that fooled the defenseman ( the stick I was talking about was for the pass, not the shot ) and a quick release high blocker side, it's a toughie for most human goalies to stop.

If Reimer gave that performance I think people wouldn't be saying quite the same things, Goose played just fine.

I didn't like that goal.  Puck was under Gus's pad and Hartnell pushed the pad.  Refs could have disallowed it.  Who knows what happens if that 2-1 goal never goes in.

 

[OurHometown.ca]

He looked good last night. I agree with others, that it is too early to give up on him.  Hopefully, Reimer will be back soon!

 

[rdowdall]

I may be over simplifying things, but the difference in last nights game sure seems to point to special teams, not goaltending. 

 

[nutman]

I may be over simplifying things, but the difference in last nights game sure seems to point to special teams, not goaltending.

Yup... looking anywhere else is just wrong. this is the biggest problem with the leafs.

 

[rdowdall]

I may be over simplifying things, but the difference in last nights game sure seems to point to special teams, not goaltending.

Yup... looking anywhere else is just wrong. this is the biggest problem with the leafs.

I'm not saying that is the case for every game, but last night the Flyers were 2-5 on the PP and 3-3 on the PK.

 

[Zee]

I'm not giving up on Gustavsson, I just hope for the Leafs sake it all starts to come together real soon.  You never know with goalies, Boston had all but given up on Tim Thomas a few years back, nobody wanted him, and he suddenly became the best goalie in the league.  Now i'm not saying Gustavsson is Thomas, but I hope he can become good enough for the Leafs to win consistently when he's in net.

 

[jonlleafs]

I'm not giving up on Gustavsson, I just hope for the Leafs sake it all starts to come together real soon.  You never know with goalies, Boston had all but given up on Tim Thomas a few years back, nobody wanted him, and he suddenly became the best goalie in the league.  Now i'm not saying Gustavsson is Thomas, but I hope he can become good enough for the Leafs to win consistently when he's in net.

It's just too bad we can't assign him to the Marlies and have him play a full year down in the A.  Just to get his confidence back.  From the start of this preseason, he hasn't looked like the Gus that showed up a couple years back.  He looks small in the net and his confidence seems to be touch and go.  I too would like to still be patient with him, but he needs some sort of stint in the A.

 

[cw]

I still love this save:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPsCb3IQTN4&feature=fvst

This one wasn't bad either:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFcis2VAIg4&feature=related

 

[Highlander]

Isn't in the Toronto way to throw folks under the bus, come on folks, Gus is just starting out and I thought his play in Philadelphia was very good. Yes, he could of stopped one of Hartnell's goals but the breakaways allowed with Jaegermeister were not pretty and I don't think Tim Thomas or Tiny Tim could have stopped either one. Overall a few bounces this way or that and the Leafs at least could have had at least a point.
Have you ever noticed at the breaks that Reimer skates over to the bench but Gus stays in the crease, interesting how relaxed Reimer is.  Still I like the Monster but Scrivens is waiting in the wings. That sports however.

 

[Number 5]

I still love this save:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPsCb3IQTN4&feature=fvst

This one wasn't bad either:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFcis2VAIg4&feature=related

Yep. You know he's got it...he just needs ice time to get it back together.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Isn't in the Toronto way to throw folks under the bus, come on folks, Gus is just starting out and I thought his play in Philadelphia was very good.

This as you pretty just did that to Cody Franson in the Gardiner thread?

 

[Tigger]

I still love this save:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPsCb3IQTN4&feature=fvst

Two quotes from that clip that jump out,"how do you think Vesa Toskala feels right now sitting on the end of that bench" and, "Exelby falls down"...

It's an amazing athletic save, I remember distinctly where I was when that happened. We had a family get together and I was meeting my middle sisters new boyfriend for the first time, supposedly a huge Leaf fan, my youngest sisters guy I'd known for a while and is a big hockey fan too so I gave the new one the gears, just to see what he was like and asked a lot of Leaf questions.

Long story short neither knew much about The Monster so I told them what I knew and that he was supposed to be a good prospect, not a minute later that play happened. There were a couple of hysterical conniptions over that. Good memory for me, both of those guys turned out to be good ones for my sisters and are still part of the family.

Here's another flurry of wacky saves from him...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlpr3N6kfCU

 

[Bender]

I still love this save:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPsCb3IQTN4&feature=fvst

Two quotes from that clip that jump out,"how do you think Vesa Toskala feels right now sitting on the end of that bench" and, "Exelby falls down"...

It's an amazing athletic save, I remember distinctly where I was when that happened. We had a family get together and I was meeting my middle sisters new boyfriend for the first time, supposedly a huge Leaf fan, my youngest sisters guy I'd known for a while and is a big hockey fan too so I gave the new one the gears, just to see what he was like and asked a lot of Leaf questions.

Long story short neither knew much about The Monster so I told them what I knew and that he was supposed to be a good prospect, not a minute later that play happened. There were a couple of hysterical conniptions over that. Good memory for me, both of those guys turned out to be good ones for my sisters and are still part of the family.

Here's another flurry of wacky saves from him...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlpr3N6kfCU

Just to add: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFcis2VAIg4&feature=related

 

[Bullfrog]

Okay, so I have a goalie who might become a good one but he needs playing time bit I can't put him in the "A" because I might lose him to waivers and I can't play him because he hasn't exactly been great. Isn't the wise thing to do then is field offers for him?

if you're assuming this is a hypothetical, sure, you field offers for him. however, based on the criteria you listed, you won't get anything. If he's not good enough to play, why would you care about losing him to waivers? Then again, the answer depends a lot on how well your starter is doing.

if you're talking about Gustavsson here, well it's clear that Burke and Wilson don't feel that he hasn't been good enough to start.

 

[Bullfrog]

One of the things that I think ends up sort of being a football that gets kicked back and forth in an attempt to fit a narrative is the idea of a "stoppable" goal. I think that when you like a goalie the definition becomes a goal that, if not stopped, is really sort of embarrassing and a play not worthy of a NHL goalie.

When you don't like a goalie though, I think the definition broadens to "any goal that a goalie would have been physically able to stop". I think the Hartnell goals from last night were a pretty good example of that. Both were goals that were in the realm of human possibility to stop but neither goal is an embarrassing goal to give up.

This reminds me a bit of when commentators say "he sure wishes he had that one back." Really, don't they wish they had all the goals scored on them back?

 

[rdowdall]

Was Gus getting booed at the ACC last year?

 

[Arn]

I know stats don't tell you everything, but they do give the odd bit of interest. Anyway.

Player A Season 1 Games 21, Save% 0.896 GAA 3.64
Player A Season 2 Games 50, Save% 0.898 GAA 3.25

Gustavsson Season 1 Games 42, Save% 0.902 GAA 2.87
Gustavsson Season 2 Games 23, Save% 0.890 GAA 3.29

Similar number of games, not too dissimilar in stats. Gustavsson had 22 wins in 65 games. Player A had 17 wins in 71 games.

So I think it is still much too soon to write Gustavsson off.














For the record, Player A is Marc-Andre Fleury. The Penguins of then (2004/5/6) probably aren't too disimilar to the situation the Leafs are in now re long times out of the playoffs etc.

 

[Bender]

I know stats don't tell you everything, but they do give the odd bit of interest. Anyway.

Player A Season 1 Games 21, Save% 0.896 GAA 3.64
Player A Season 2 Games 50, Save% 0.898 GAA 3.25

Gustavsson Season 1 Games 42, Save% 0.902 GAA 2.87
Gustavsson Season 2 Games 23, Save% 0.890 GAA 3.29

Similar number of games, not too dissimilar in stats. Gustavsson had 22 wins in 65 games. Player A had 17 wins in 71 games.

So I think it is still much too soon to write Gustavsson off.














For the record, Player A is Marc-Andre Fleury. The Penguins of then (2004/5/6) probably aren't too disimilar to the situation the Leafs are in now re long times out of the playoffs etc.

MAF was also way younger.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I know stats don't tell you everything, but they do give the odd bit of interest. Anyway.

Player A Season 1 Games 21, Save% 0.896 GAA 3.64
Player A Season 2 Games 50, Save% 0.898 GAA 3.25

Gustavsson Season 1 Games 42, Save% 0.902 GAA 2.87
Gustavsson Season 2 Games 23, Save% 0.890 GAA 3.29

Similar number of games, not too dissimilar in stats. Gustavsson had 22 wins in 65 games. Player A had 17 wins in 71 games.

So I think it is still much too soon to write Gustavsson off.

For the record, Player A is Marc-Andre Fleury. The Penguins of then (2004/5/6) probably aren't too disimilar to the situation the Leafs are in now re long times out of the playoffs etc.

MAF was also way younger.

Yeah, that's really a tough comparison to make. Fleury was 18 years old during that first season there. It was well-known that the Penguins rushed him into the NHL and he was even sent back to the Q mid-season that year.

 

[Zee]

Gustavsson played well after the first goal. That's the important thing if he can keep the Leafs in the game and make some big saves at key moments, he'll be alright.  The Rangers came in as the 2nd lowest scoring team in the league though, let's hope Gustavsson can play well consistently.