Habs @ Leafs - Mar. 22nd, 7:00pm - CBC, SN 590

[Kin]

Let's not argue about who specifically replaced who to get the stats aligned the way we like them

I don't think that's necessary for the simple point of a Mac-like player in Raymond being available for significantly less being true. Regardless of the Clarkson deal, I'd rather have Raymond than Mac and if a team were looking to replace Mac last off-season there were better and cheaper options available.

--- overall, the offseason was a pretty big disaster for Nonis.

I take a back seat to nobody in my dislike for the Clarkson deal but I don't agree at all. What Bernier is and what he could be going forward alone make the summer's deals a net-positive for me.

 

[Kin]

he gets a point 72% of the time.

He's got a .72 ppg as the third wheel on a very talented line. He's a good player and I'm happy he's doing well but, again, easily replaceable.

 

[lamajama]

he's nearly a point per game player with Ottawa and he's a +8.

How is 48 points in 66 games "almost" a point per game? Mac was easily replaced by Raymond at a third of the cost.

True, but Raymond was searching for a contract and I'm sure wasn't happy going from $2+ mil to $1 mil. Next year he'll get a lot more than $1 mil to play. Hopefully not us. He's the type of player that plays best when playing for a contract.

 

[Kin]

True, but Raymond was searching for a contract and I'm sure wasn't happy going from $2+ mil to $1 mil. Next year he'll get a lot more than $1 mil to play. Hopefully not us. He's the type of player that plays best when playing for a contract.

Well, aside from the fact that he was "searching for a contract" after a year where he was playing for a contract, if Raymond needs to be replaced this off-season I think that's pretty easily doable too. None of these guys are great players.

 

[sickbeast]

True, but Raymond was searching for a contract and I'm sure wasn't happy going from $2+ mil to $1 mil. Next year he'll get a lot more than $1 mil to play. Hopefully not us. He's the type of player that plays best when playing for a contract.

Well, aside from the fact that he was "searching for a contract" after a year where he was playing for a contract, if Raymond needs to be replaced this off-season I think that's pretty easily doable too. None of these guys are great players.

60th overall in the league for points is pretty good in my books.

 

[Kin]

60th overall in the league for points is pretty good in my books.

As the third wheel on a good line for a mediocre team that plays wide-open hockey? Sure. Pretty good works. I just think that "pretty good" hockey players are easy to replace.

 

[bustaheims]

DavidAlter590: CONFIRMED: Dave Bolland activated off LTIR.  Will play tonight.  Peter Holland taken off roster to keep under salary cap.

 

[harps64]

DavidAlter590: CONFIRMED: Dave Bolland activated off LTIR.  Will play tonight.  Peter Holland taken off roster to keep under salary cap.

What's the penalty for going over the salary cap anyways?

 

[Kin]

DavidAlter590: CONFIRMED: Dave Bolland activated off LTIR.  Will play tonight.  Peter Holland taken off roster to keep under salary cap.

What's the penalty for going over the salary cap anyways?

You forfeit your first round pick and, somehow, New Jersey gets it.

 

[sickbeast]

DavidAlter590: CONFIRMED: Dave Bolland activated off LTIR.  Will play tonight.  Peter Holland taken off roster to keep under salary cap.

can't they take Clarkson off the roster instead?

 

[bustaheims]

What's the penalty for going over the salary cap anyways?

There's no set penalty, but, there's a variety of ways the league is allowed to penalize teams for violating the cap. The first is, outside of extreme injury situations where the team has so many injuries it wouldn't be able to ice a full roster without exceeding the cap, teams are not allowed to play a game with a roster that violates the cap. They're forced to forfeit if they can't fix the issue before game time. Long-term violations can lead to heavy fines, loss of draft picks, etc.

 

[Bullfrog]

my take on tonight: play a full 60 minutes. play like you care. play to give everyone watching their monies worth. don't get badly outshot. don't let in the first goal. capitalize on the PP.

Let me just add?.no WEAK goals. Thank-you.

And score more goals than the other guys.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

What's the penalty for going over the salary cap anyways?

There's no set penalty, but, there's a variety of ways the league is allowed to penalize teams for violating the cap. The first is, outside of extreme injury situations where the team has so many injuries it wouldn't be able to ice a full roster without exceeding the cap, teams are not allowed to play a game with a roster that violates the cap. They're forced to forfeit if they can't fix the issue before game time. Long-term violations can lead to heavy fines, loss of draft picks, etc.

Generally speaking a team won't be allowed to make a roster move that puts them over the salary cap as well.

 

[Kin]

And score more goals than the other guys.

And oft-neglected strategic gambit.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

DavidAlter590: CONFIRMED: Dave Bolland activated off LTIR.  Will play tonight.  Peter Holland taken off roster to keep under salary cap.

can't they take Clarkson off the roster instead?

Could have demoted Orr instead.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

DavidAlter590: CONFIRMED: Dave Bolland activated off LTIR.  Will play tonight.  Peter Holland taken off roster to keep under salary cap.

can't they take Clarkson off the roster instead?

Could have demoted Orr instead.

He must have a no-movement clause nobody knows about.

 

[Bullfrog]

And score more goals than the other guys.

And oft-neglected strategic gambit.

It was either that or let in less goals than the other guys. I decided to stick with my gut and went for it.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

DavidAlter590: CONFIRMED: Dave Bolland activated off LTIR.  Will play tonight.  Peter Holland taken off roster to keep under salary cap.

can't they take Clarkson off the roster instead?

Could have demoted Orr instead.

He must have a no-movement clause nobody knows about.

Exercises it whenever he's in the lineup.  Never moves off the bench.

 

[Rebel_1812]

Clarke MacArthur was run out of buffalo and atlanta before he was run out of TO.  I think when your one your 4th team you have to look at yourself as part of the reason.

Two other franchises known for their top notch hockey operations.

That's three top notch hockey organizations including Toronto, but who is counting.  If MacArthur get get a spot with teams struggling to make the playoffs do you think he will do better on a competitive team?

 

[bustaheims]

Could have demoted Orr instead.

Actually, they couldn't. One little wrinkle in the CBA prevents players who were on the NHL roster as of the trade deadline from being demoted after the trade deadline unless they were recalled on an emergency basis. Ashton and Holland were the only players who could be sent down - which now explains the paper transactions we saw with them on deadline day.