Holland up, D'amigo down

[pmrules]

I was initally fine with Holland going down...save the pick.  To bring him up, you better play him in meaningful minutes.

Considering that Orr/McClaren aren't going anywhere, the choice for me was between Ashton or D'amigo to send down...and D'amigo wins hands down.  Definitely a more useful player (played on the PK...not well mind you...but played on the PK)

One downer...D'amigo didn't fight, while Ashton did. 

 

[freer]

Whether or not you like Orr or not, you are all going to agree, that I would rather him fighting with thorton, or Luci tomorrow night over Holland or lupul. Just saying

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Whether or not you like Orr or not, you are all going to agree, that I would rather him fighting with thorton, or Luci tomorrow night over Holland or lupul. Just saying

Lupul or Holland would never fight either of those two so what's your point?

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Carter Ashton still has offensive upside, I think some people here have soured on him and labelled him as a face puncher and little else.

 

[nutman]

Carter Ashton still has offensive upside, I think some people here have soured on him and labelled him as a face puncher and little else.

I think he is our replacement for the face punchers, but only when RC can get past the thought of getting rid of Orr.

 

[freer]

Whether or not you like Orr or not, you are all going to agree, that I would rather him fighting with thorton, or Luci tomorrow night over Holland or lupul. Just saying

Lupul or Holland would never fight either of those two so what's your point?

Orr is there so people do not take liberties with our skilled players. If we don't have a played like him in the line up, our skilled players get cheap shots thrown at them.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Whether or not you like Orr or not, you are all going to agree, that I would rather him fighting with thorton, or Luci tomorrow night over Holland or lupul. Just saying

Lupul or Holland would never fight either of those two so what's your point?

Orr is there so people do not take liberties with our skilled players. If we don't have a played like him in the line up, our skilled players get cheap shots thrown at them.

Example of that ever happening that you can think of?

So you're saying that the Chicago Blackhawks, currently #2 in the entire NHL, regularly have other teams take cheap shots at their skilled players?  They don't carry a fighter, so they must have issues with that right?

 

[Bullfrog]

No point in trying to save the pick. I'd rather have Holland up to learn the NHL game and then be ready to start the season next year.

 

[2badknees]

I wasn't aware that Chicago employs Bollig for his shootout moves.

Hopefully they didn't bring Holland up to see him languish on the 4th line. Put McClement on the 4th, and have him kill penalties, Kadri 3, Holland 2.

 

[Highlander]

Orr is another name for lead therefore: Orr=Anchor?.. this sinks ships and Leafs

 

[bustaheims]

Orr is there so people do not take liberties with our skilled players. If we don't have a played like him in the line up, our skilled players get cheap shots thrown at them.

So, he's there to protect against something that's unlikely to happen even when he's not in the lineup and still happens to teams that have guys like Orr in the lineup. The whole idea of the face puncher as "deterrent" is a fallacy. Orr isn't on the ice when the skilled guys are for either team are, how is he going to be a deterrent in these situations? It just doesn't play out in the real world the way the proponents of the face puncher make it out to be. If a guy is going to take a cheap shot at someone, they're going to do it regardless of who is dressed for the other team - that much has been shown time and time again.

 

[bustaheims]

I wasn't aware that Chicago employs Bollig for his shootout moves.

I'm not sure Bollig's 3 fights this season qualify him as a face punching enforcer type. The Hawks clearly aren't putting him out there to fight.

 

[2badknees]

Lol, of course Bollig is a face puncher. Look at his AHL/NHL history, and who he's fought.

 

[freer]

Orr is there so people do not take liberties with our skilled players. If we don't have a played like him in the line up, our skilled players get cheap shots thrown at them.

So, he's there to protect against something that's unlikely to happen even when he's not in the lineup and still happens to teams that have guys like Orr in the lineup. The whole idea of the face puncher as "deterrent" is a fallacy. Orr isn't on the ice when the skilled guys are for either team are, how is he going to be a deterrent in these situations? It just doesn't play out in the real world the way the proponents of the face puncher make it out to be. If a guy is going to take a cheap shot at someone, they're going to do it regardless of who is dressed for the other team - that much has been shown time and time again.

I am not talking every team or every game. BOS and BUF are just two examples of this happening. I myself do not want to see a Scott incident happen ever again.

 

[bustaheims]

I am not talking every team or every game. BOS and BUF are just two examples of this happening. I myself do not want to see a Scott incident happen ever again.

Well, the answer to that is to not have guys like Scott and Orr in the league. The Scott incident happens regardless of which face punchers the Leafs have the lineup - and they did have some. Having fighters is not a deterrent for anything. I mean, really, think about it for a second. Outside of the rare exception, the guys that play in the NHL are decent enough human beings to not come into a game with the pre-determined intent of injuring someone. These incidents are not premeditated, so, it's not like the guys are going to look over to the over bench, see someone like Orr and decide to scrap their plan, since there was no plan in the first place. These incidents are spur of the moment things. They're either guys who see an opportunity or they're guys who have had someone happen to them in that game and are seeing red. In both cases, it doesn't matter to them who is on the other bench. They either don't have time to think about it before the opportunity disappears, or they just flat out don't care because they're enraged. Having a face puncher doesn't stop anything, it just means that someone else on the team likely has to fight to "atone" for his teammate's wrongdoing.

 

[bustaheims]

Lol, of course Bollig is a face puncher. Look at his AHL/NHL history, and who he's fought.

Yes, he has that past, but that's not why the Hawks have him on the roster. He's also  a very effective 4th line player who has shown some offensive skill this season. He may have been a goon in the past, but he's not being employed as one this season. 3 fights in 48 games is not goon territory by any means.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Lol, of course Bollig is a face puncher. Look at his AHL/NHL history, and who he's fought.

Yes, he has that past, but that's not why the Hawks have him on the roster. He's also  a very effective 4th line player who has shown some offensive skill this season. He may have been a goon in the past, but he's not being employed as one this season. 3 fights in 48 games is not goon territory by any means.

Playing him close to 10:00/night on one of the best teams in the league.

 

[bustaheims]

Playing him close to 10:00/night on one of the best teams in the league.

Yeah. He may have been a straight up face puncher in the past, but the Hawks appear to have transformed him into a very effective 4th line player who is willing to fight. He's clearly been told not to go out there looking to fight, and he's listened.

 

[Champ Kind]

Orr is another name for lead therefore: Orr=Anchor?.. this sinks ships and Leafs

I get your point, but you're referring to "ore".  It's also a different than iron and........oh my God, what have I become?

 

[Champ Kind]

These moves seem plain crazy and desperate to me.  Change for the sake of change, really.  Ultimately, why was Holland sent down a week ago?  Conditioning?