Hutchinson placed on waivers

[Kin]

Had to happen. Hopefully they can find a decent option. It's looking more and more though like they probably should have made a hard decision on either Kapanen or Johnsson this off-season.

 

[azzurri63]

Hutch wasn?t capable, but Babcock has to share in the blame.  It is idiotic ton exclusively your backup goalie only in the 2nd half of back to backs, especially when you consider the leafs don?t skate well on back to backs.  Babcock set Hutch and the leafs up for failure with his stubbornness.  He is wrong, but he won?t admit it.

Another one of my pet peeves with him. No reason to start Andy on the front end every f'n time.
So set in his ways its ridiculous. Look at the matchups. Look at where the games are. Look if its divisional matchup which is more important. No doesn't matter.
Get rid of him.

 

[Highlander]

I was just reading-up a little bit on Kaskisuo...

I think maybe they need a back-up plan to this back-up plan.

No doubt, lets give him a shot and see if he grabs the opportunity...if not we bring back Sparks...LOL

 

[Frank E]

Had to happen. Hopefully they can find a decent option. It's looking more and more though like they probably should have made a hard decision on either Kapanen or Johnsson this off-season.

I still think that they thought they could get Marner in the $9's...once that deal was done, it sure looked messy, and I can't imagine in June that it was their intention to go with a 20 man roster.

 

[Kin]

I still think that they thought they could get Marner in the $9's...once that deal was done, it sure looked messy, and I can't imagine in June that it was their intention to go with a 20 man roster.

They may have thought that but if it wasn't done by the time they could have aggressively pursued the market for the best back-up goalie in their price range I'm not really sure it matters what their intentions were.

 

[Bender]

Had to happen. Hopefully they can find a decent option. It's looking more and more though like they probably should have made a hard decision on either Kapanen or Johnsson this off-season.

They can still make that hard decision in season.

 

[Kin]

Had to happen. Hopefully they can find a decent option. It's looking more and more though like they probably should have made a hard decision on either Kapanen or Johnsson this off-season.

They can still make that hard decision in season.

They can. They won't have the same options in terms of using the money as they would have in the off-season but it's still a way to go.

 

[Highlander]

Had to happen. Hopefully they can find a decent option. It's looking more and more though like they probably should have made a hard decision on either Kapanen or Johnsson this off-season.

They can still make that hard decision in season.

They can. They won't have the same options in terms of using the money as they would have in the off-season but it's still a way to go.

Anyone for trading Barrie for a bag of magic beans, sure isn't working for me. That would free up some space.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Had to happen. Hopefully they can find a decent option. It's looking more and more though like they probably should have made a hard decision on either Kapanen or Johnsson this off-season.

They can still make that hard decision in season.

They can. They won't have the same options in terms of using the money as they would have in the off-season but it's still a way to go.

Anyone for trading Barrie for a bag of magic beans, sure isn't working for me. That would free up some space.

Barrie's problem from my couch is Babs/coaches not utilizing him properly. A coaches job is to put players in position to succeed. Please tell me why on earth they've never tried him on the 1st PP unit?  A right hand shot would give a total different look and he's a specialist. I know he's not known for being defensive but why not try him on the pk, which is also struggling. Have the coaches been watching Rielly. He's been brutal out there. Like it or not, CC isn't the weak link defensively of that pairing.

 

[Highlander]

Had to happen. Hopefully they can find a decent option. It's looking more and more though like they probably should have made a hard decision on either Kapanen or Johnsson this off-season.

They can still make that hard decision in season.

They can. They won't have the same options in terms of using the money as they would have in the off-season but it's still a way to go.

Anyone for trading Barrie for a bag of magic beans, sure isn't working for me. That would free up some space.

Barrie's problem from my couch is Babs/coaches not utilizing him properly. A coaches job is to put players in position to succeed. Please tell me why on earth they've never tried him on the 1st PP unit?  A right hand shot would give a total different look and he's a specialist. I know he's not known for being defensive but why not try him on the pk, which is also struggling. Have the coaches been watching Rielly. He's been brutal out there. Like it or not, CC isn't the weak link defensively of that pairing.

I agree with you on all this Guilt Trip, why not give Barrie an opportunity and give Reilly more of a rest, even take Mogen of the PK for God sake.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Had to happen. Hopefully they can find a decent option. It's looking more and more though like they probably should have made a hard decision on either Kapanen or Johnsson this off-season.

They can still make that hard decision in season.

They can. They won't have the same options in terms of using the money as they would have in the off-season but it's still a way to go.

Anyone for trading Barrie for a bag of magic beans, sure isn't working for me. That would free up some space.

Barrie's problem from my couch is Babs/coaches not utilizing him properly. A coaches job is to put players in position to succeed. Please tell me why on earth they've never tried him on the 1st PP unit?  A right hand shot would give a total different look and he's a specialist. I know he's not known for being defensive but why not try him on the pk, which is also struggling. Have the coaches been watching Rielly. He's been brutal out there. Like it or not, CC isn't the weak link defensively of that pairing.

I agree with you on all this Guilt Trip, why not give Barrie an opportunity and give Reilly more of a rest, even take Mogen of the PK for God sake.

I think they're playing him way too much and it's really affecting his game. He def doesn't belong on the PK.

 

[azzurri63]

I still think that they thought they could get Marner in the $9's...once that deal was done, it sure looked messy, and I can't imagine in June that it was their intention to go with a 20 man roster.

They may have thought that but if it wasn't done by the time they could have aggressively pursued the market for the best back-up goalie in their price range I'm not really sure it matters what their intentions were.

So if they figured that's what Marner was worth or what he would sign for roughly why did we pay more?
I'm the biggest fan of our stars but I wouldn't have overpaid not to the degree Dubas did.
Would I like to see the stars traded? No but if it comes down to overpaying or player sitting out then ship them off.
As much as I like the nucleus of this team do you think we would be worse off if we traded any of them?
If so how much worse would we be? I don't think we would know the answer to that until it happened.
At least if we had some cap space the backup Goalie could have been addressed without trading anyone.
Dubas' mess.

 

[dekedastardly]

Had to happen. Hopefully they can find a decent option. It's looking more and more though like they probably should have made a hard decision on either Kapanen or Johnsson this off-season.

Could've should've done a lot of different things. Curtis McElhinney should have been kept. Could have let Willy sit. If any of the forwards are sent away, I still prefer it be him. Andreas and Kasperi both play with more of an edge than little Willy does.

 

[Bender]

Had to happen. Hopefully they can find a decent option. It's looking more and more though like they probably should have made a hard decision on either Kapanen or Johnsson this off-season.

Could've should've done a lot of different things. Curtis McElhinney should have been kept. Could have let Willy sit. If any of the forwards are sent away, I still prefer it be him. Andreas and Kasperi both play with more of an edge than little Willy does.

I will still say it made more sense at the time to roll the dice on the Calder Cup winning goaltender at the time than a journeyman backup as Sparks was going to be waived and claimed.

 

[ZBBM]

Had to happen. Hopefully they can find a decent option. It's looking more and more though like they probably should have made a hard decision on either Kapanen or Johnsson this off-season.

Could've should've done a lot of different things. Curtis McElhinney should have been kept. Could have let Willy sit. If any of the forwards are sent away, I still prefer it be him. Andreas and Kasperi both play with more of an edge than little Willy does.

I will still say it made more sense at the time to roll the dice on the Calder Cup winning goaltender at the time than a journeyman backup as Sparks was going to be waived and claimed.

I agree, and said so at the time.  It didn't work out but I think Dubas did the right thing there.  But he had no excuse for not getting a better replacement for Sparks over the summer.

 

[Arn]

No real surprise when he?s conceding in excess of 4 goals per game

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Hutch wasn?t capable, but Babcock has to share in the blame.  It is idiotic ton exclusively your backup goalie only in the 2nd half of back to backs, especially when you consider the leafs don?t skate well on back to backs.  Babcock set Hutch and the leafs up for failure with his stubbornness.  He is wrong, but he won?t admit it.

Actually, the analytics actually back up playing your backup over your starter in the 2nd half of back to backs.  Our understanding is Babcock is listening to the analytics staff and goalie coach recommendations on this.  Do you really want him to stop listening to those staff members? because I have my doubts it will be a positive thing overall.

And the Leaf players not skating well on back to backs... Sounds to me like that is a player problem and the leaders in the room need to step up and hold their teammates accountable.

Analytics is great until it isn?t.  What does it matter who?s fault it is the leafs are lousy in the 2nd of back to backs?  The fact is they are.  So until the coaches or players figure it out the coach needs to ice a lineup that gives them the best chance to win.  It hasn?t worked for two years.  The analytics don?t reflect the leafs in this regard.

So what you're saying is analytics are great until they don't support your argument. Got ya

 

[lc9]

Hutch wasn?t capable, but Babcock has to share in the blame.  It is idiotic ton exclusively your backup goalie only in the 2nd half of back to backs, especially when you consider the leafs don?t skate well on back to backs.  Babcock set Hutch and the leafs up for failure with his stubbornness.  He is wrong, but he won?t admit it.

Actually, the analytics actually back up playing your backup over your starter in the 2nd half of back to backs.  Our understanding is Babcock is listening to the analytics staff and goalie coach recommendations on this.  Do you really want him to stop listening to those staff members? because I have my doubts it will be a positive thing overall.

And the Leaf players not skating well on back to backs... Sounds to me like that is a player problem and the leaders in the room need to step up and hold their teammates accountable.

Analytics is great until it isn?t.  What does it matter who?s fault it is the leafs are lousy in the 2nd of back to backs?  The fact is they are.  So until the coaches or players figure it out the coach needs to ice a lineup that gives them the best chance to win.  It hasn?t worked for two years.  The analytics don?t reflect the leafs in this regard.

So what you're saying is analytics are great until they don't support your argument. Got ya

Nope, not what I?m saying.  Analytics says start your backup in the 2nd half of the back to back.  Leafs have gained 1 of 10 points in these games.  In this case, analytics is wrong for the leafs.  Try something new.  You?re suggesting to follow analytics blindly.  Not a great strategy, as has been proven.

 

[Highlander]

Had to happen. Hopefully they can find a decent option. It's looking more and more though like they probably should have made a hard decision on either Kapanen or Johnsson this off-season.

Could've should've done a lot of different things. Curtis McElhinney should have been kept. Could have let Willy sit. If any of the forwards are sent away, I still prefer it be him. Andreas and Kasperi both play with more of an edge than little Willy does.

Deke, have you watched Nylander the last two games, has won the game ball both games by a mile. He has so much upside. Little Willy is going to be a great one...while I love both Johnsson and Kapi a lot..they are not even in the same circus as Nylander.

 

[Frank E]

Hutch wasn?t capable, but Babcock has to share in the blame.  It is idiotic ton exclusively your backup goalie only in the 2nd half of back to backs, especially when you consider the leafs don?t skate well on back to backs.  Babcock set Hutch and the leafs up for failure with his stubbornness.  He is wrong, but he won?t admit it.

Actually, the analytics actually back up playing your backup over your starter in the 2nd half of back to backs.  Our understanding is Babcock is listening to the analytics staff and goalie coach recommendations on this.  Do you really want him to stop listening to those staff members? because I have my doubts it will be a positive thing overall.

And the Leaf players not skating well on back to backs... Sounds to me like that is a player problem and the leaders in the room need to step up and hold their teammates accountable.

Analytics is great until it isn?t.  What does it matter who?s fault it is the leafs are lousy in the 2nd of back to backs?  The fact is they are.  So until the coaches or players figure it out the coach needs to ice a lineup that gives them the best chance to win.  It hasn?t worked for two years.  The analytics don?t reflect the leafs in this regard.

So what you're saying is analytics are great until they don't support your argument. Got ya

Nope, not what I?m saying.  Analytics says start your backup in the 2nd half of the back to back.  Leafs have gained 1 of 10 points in these games.  In this case, analytics is wrong for the leafs.  Try something new.  You?re suggesting to follow analytics blindly.  Not a great strategy, as has been proven.

According to a Sportsnet article the other day, they've gone 35-8-7 on the first game, and 19-28-3 on the 2nd game since 16-17.  This totals 54-36-10.  So the suggestion there is that the strategy works overall.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-couldnt-afford-wait-hutchinsons-play-improve/