Idiocracy

[Bates]

You are probably correct, they were there to invite violence would be my interpretation. 

I'm not sure that's true.

Well, then you're wrong. I have a lot of reasons as to why I think you might be wrong, but I'll keep them to myself.

 

[Bender]

Funny you only seem to see that from one side??  They are both disgusting wastes of skin but they do have Rights.  If it was just the Nazis do you think there would have been violence?

The Nazis and Antifa both have the Right to peaceful demonstration.

Nothing says peaceful demonstration like carrying torches, screaming disgusting Nazi slogans like "blood and soil", and literally coming dressed in full solider gear with automatic rifles. So peaceful.

It's pretty funny that antifa came as a REACTION to over racism, xenophobia, bigotry and white supremacism. Antifa wouldn't exist without neo-nazi racist bigots. Peaceful demonstration and the flying of nazi symbols are at odds with one another. "I don't have blood on my hands because I didn't do it" except inciting violence with symbols of hate DO mobilize people to violence.

To have a moral equivalence between neo-nazis and antifa is being ignorant to reality (not a coincidence that a white supremacist committed murder over the weekend, which the whole group has to answer for).

 

[Bates]

Do all BLM Members have to answer for the Dallas Cops that got killed last year?  Afterall they rallied with chants of death to Cops.  I'm just not comfortable holding everyone accountable for the actions of others. Ideally the Nazis would cease to exist but I still believe in total freedom so don't see a way to achieve that??  That doesn't mean others get to assault them even if it seems like the right thing to do.

Funny you only seem to see that from one side??  They are both disgusting wastes of skin but they do have Rights.  If it was just the Nazis do you think there would have been violence?

The Nazis and Antifa both have the Right to peaceful demonstration.

Nothing says peaceful demonstration like carrying torches, screaming disgusting Nazi slogans like "blood and soil", and literally coming dressed in full solider gear with automatic rifles. So peaceful.

It's pretty funny that antifa came as a REACTION to over racism, xenophobia, bigotry and white supremacism. Antifa wouldn't exist without neo-nazi racist bigots. Peaceful demonstration and the flying of nazi symbols are at odds with one another. "I don't have blood on my hands because I didn't do it" except inciting violence with symbols of hate DO mobilize people to violence.

To have a moral equivalence between neo-nazis and antifa is being ignorant to reality (not a coincidence that a white supremacist committed murder over the weekend, which the whole group has to answer for).

 

[CarltonTheBear]

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Both of these points have been accurate for a very long time, but like Duca says now it's just explicitly clear.

 

[Kin]

Do all BLM Members have to answer for the Dallas Cops that got killed last year?  Afterall they rallied with chants of death to Cops. 

It's a false equivalency. There is no official BLM position that advocates violence against law enforcement. Conversely, Nazism is by definition a violent ideology.

 

[Kin]

Then charge the Nzis with an actual crime if they committed one.  I doubt they did.

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But, no, keep spending a lot of time defending these guys because you have absolutely nothing in common with them.

 

[Bates]

I was talking about their existence and beliefs.  You have showed an action which if is as you say should be charges.  However I don't equate one picture with proof of much.  There was enough happening in Charlottesville to charge hundreds of people, and they weren't all Nazis.  It's the refusal to allow others the Right to be wrong and idiots that partially lead to the idiot in charge now. This guy explains the other problem better than I can:

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Then charge the Nzis with an actual crime if they committed one.  I doubt they did.

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But, no, keep spending a lot of time defending these guys because you have absolutely nothing in common with them.

 

[Kin]

I was talking about their existence and beliefs.

Which, again, are by nature violent. Nazism is, by definition, aligning yourself with the belief that racial and ethnic minorities do not have human rights. There is no moral equivalence in a willingness to stand up to people like that. You cannot be a good person and a Nazi(see all Nazis ever). You can, however, be a good person and violent towards Nazis(see soldiers in WW2).

It's really telling that you feel this compelling need to assign blame to both sides. It used to be that Conservatives didn't feel as though the people holding the poles up there were on their side.

 

[Bill_Berg]

I was talking about their existence and beliefs.

Which, again, are by nature violent. Nazism is, by definition, aligning yourself with the belief that racial and ethnic minorities do not have human rights. There is no moral equivalence in a willingness to stand up to people like that. You cannot be a good person and a Nazi(see all Nazis ever). You can, however, be a good person and violent towards Nazis(see soldiers in WW2).

It's really telling that you feel this compelling need to assign blame to both sides. It used to be that Conservatives didn't feel as though the people holding the poles up there were on their side.

Hey now, this is not a Conservative thing. I can be less govt and not agree with a bunch of crap that's coincidentally tied to the majority of Conservatives. I don't want Wynne paying people with tax money to make sure I make a wise choice for my kid's daycare, that doesn't mean I like guns and religion and racism and crap too. 

 

[Bates]

It tells nothing that I think everyone has Rights.  This isn't the 40's, these are idiots that think they are better than others, they have done nothing to act on those thoughts like the folks of the German Nazis.  I can easily look at this mess from both sides and don't get pidgeonholed because of one group's ideology. And what makes me a Conservative?? 

I was talking about their existence and beliefs.

Which, again, are by nature violent. Nazism is, by definition, aligning yourself with the belief that racial and ethnic minorities do not have human rights. There is no moral equivalence in a willingness to stand up to people like that. You cannot be a good person and a Nazi(see all Nazis ever). You can, however, be a good person and violent towards Nazis(see soldiers in WW2).

It's really telling that you feel this compelling need to assign blame to both sides. It used to be that Conservatives didn't feel as though the people holding the poles up there were on their side.

 

[Zee]

Trump disbanded his two advisory councils made up of CEOs before they could all quit on him.

 

[Bates]

I really Trump would step down before the Country has gone too far to recover. We are in very dangerous times. The quicker it ends the quicker the healing can hopefully begin. I do, however, believe all sides need to step back and consider where they are pushing towards.

 

[Kin]

Hey now, this is not a Conservative thing. I can be less govt and not agree with a bunch of crap that's coincidentally tied to the majority of Conservatives. I don't want Wynne paying people with tax money to make sure I make a wise choice for my kid's daycare, that doesn't mean I like guns and religion and racism and crap too. 

I can't tell to what extent this is sarcasm or not but I agree. There are lots of conservatives, big and small c, who didn't feel the need to equivocate their criticism and condemnation of a march of white supremacists or draw lines between Nazis and their enemies. Here's Marco Rubio, a guy I disagree with politically on just about everything besides this:

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Conservatives/Liberals/Whatever, they all died on the beaches at Normandy because they knew stopping the spread of that inherently vile ideology needed to be stopped no matter what.

 

[Zee]

I really Trump would step down before the Country has gone too far to recover. We are in very dangerous times. The quicker it ends the quicker the healing can hopefully begin. I do, however, believe all sides need to step back and consider where they are pushing towards.

How much better shape would the country be with Mike Pence?  I guess at the very least he wouldn't fly off the handle during press conferences and tweet nonsense at 5am.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

It tells nothing that I think everyone has Rights.  This isn't the 40's, these are idiots that think they are better than others, they have done nothing to act on those thoughts like the folks of the German Nazis.  I can easily look at this mess from both sides and don't get pidgeonholed because of one group's ideology. And what makes me a Conservative?? 

I was talking about their existence and beliefs.

Which, again, are by nature violent. Nazism is, by definition, aligning yourself with the belief that racial and ethnic minorities do not have human rights. There is no moral equivalence in a willingness to stand up to people like that. You cannot be a good person and a Nazi(see all Nazis ever). You can, however, be a good person and violent towards Nazis(see soldiers in WW2).

It's really telling that you feel this compelling need to assign blame to both sides. It used to be that Conservatives didn't feel as though the people holding the poles up there were on their side.

Would you be of the same opinion if it was a bunch of middle-easterners displaying ISIS flags and chanting death to America?

They'd still have these rights you speak about?

I don't understand the whole "muh free speech" bullshit, yes you're free to say it, but at a certain point it becomes outside of the public interest and there are consequences to that.

In a civilized society there is no place for this kind of thing, learn from the mistakes of the past and put your foot down when you see people making the same mistakes.

You say they haven't done anything, you think showing up with an M4, AK-47, three pistols and a combat knife (just one example of which there are many) is acceptable?

As the parent of a mixed race child, living in the American South, forgive me if I don't have the patience for your splitting hairs, these people are evil and need to be challenged/re-educated as a matter of urgency.

 

[Kin]

I can easily look at this mess from both sides and don't get pidgeonholed because of one group's ideology.

On one side are Nazis. The other side are people who want to stop Nazis. You need to reconcile how much time you want to give to each.

 

[Kin]

You say they haven't done anything, you think showing up with an M4, AK-47, three pistols and a combat knife (just one example of which there are many) is acceptable?

Exactly. It takes a very particular kind of privilege to think of heavily armed idiots chanting slogans of racial hatred as "not doing anything" to act on an ideology that came to power in much the same way. Anyone watching that Vice documentary knows they came there looking for a fight.

 

[Bates]

The other side isn't exactly you and I against those who want to exterminate Black People no matter how much you want to make it that simple.  Antifa is on the  terrorist watch group, they are all about anarchy.  I believe the best approach is to allow the Nazis the Right to gather, gain intelligence on them, and when they cross the line prosecute them to the fullest extent of the Law. 

I can easily look at this mess from both sides and don't get pidgeonholed because of one group's ideology.

On one side are Nazis. The other side are people who want to stop Nazis. You need to reconcile how much time you want to give to each.

 

[Bates]

Jesus I didn't consider that factor.  There is no reasonable way out. 

I really Trump would step down before the Country has gone too far to recover. We are in very dangerous times. The quicker it ends the quicker the healing can hopefully begin. I do, however, believe all sides need to step back and consider where they are pushing towards.

How much better shape would the country be with Mike Pence?  I guess at the very least he wouldn't fly off the handle during press conferences and tweet nonsense at 5am.

 

[Kin]

The other side isn't exactly you and I against those who want to exterminate Black People no matter how much you want to make it that simple.

Trust me, that's becoming abundantly clear.