Jared McCann is a Leaf [edit: nevermind]

[herman]

Now we can trade Kerfoot to Arizona (or whoever wants to save cold hard cash).

 

[bustaheims]

So we are now back to having the same roster as last year.  I'm not super impressed.  I get the Hallander/7th thinking of making that the selection is a good loss relative to otherwise but I just don't see how this team is going to be different enough to be better next year.

Obviously, the expectation is other moves are in the works. What this does is help the Leafs retain any key pieces they may have been building deals around.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So we are now back to having the same roster as last year.  I'm not super impressed.  I get the Hallander/7th thinking of making that the selection is a good loss relative to otherwise but I just don't see how this team is going to be different enough to be better next year.

I mean I get people being frustrated with the team overall after how the playoffs ended, but let's keep in mind the entry draft hasn't even happened yet. We're still very, very early into the offseason. Lots of times left for changes to be made.

 

[dappleganger]

So that was just a completely mental trade then.

A B-level prospect and a 7th round pick would have been significantly less than what Seattle would have wanted from the Leafs to protect both Kerfoot and Dermott though. I'm not in love with the move, but I get the idea behind it.

Personally, I wanted Kerfoot off the team. So the pick would have been either Kerfoot or Dermott which would have been fine with me. I'm not sure why you give up anything to keep Kerfoot or Dermott especially when I would have preferred McCann of the three.

 

[herman]

So that was just a completely mental trade then.

A B-level prospect and a 7th round pick would have been significantly less than what Seattle would have wanted from the Leafs to protect both Kerfoot and Dermott though. I'm not in love with the move, but I get the idea behind it.

Personally, I wanted Kerfoot off the team. So the pick would have been either Kerfoot or Dermott which would have been fine with me. I'm not sure why you give up anything to keep Kerfoot or Dermott especially when I would have preferred McCann of the three.

The only way the Leafs could steer Seattle to take Kerfoot and no one else was to cut an expensive side deal (and lose more assets?).

If they got McCann and protected him, it exposes Kerfoot/Holl/Dermott, and they just pick Holl and you're left with Kerfoot still, but now a hole in the top 4.

There was always going to be a loss somewhere in expansion. It doesn't mean the Leafs can't trade Kerfoot out anyway (his contract is attractive), or just bump him to top-6 LW and allocate cap$ to depth.

 

[Bender]

I had a feeling that without a side deal they would've picked McCann. I get the rationale but are we overvaluing Justin Holl?

 

[dappleganger]

So that was just a completely mental trade then.

A B-level prospect and a 7th round pick would have been significantly less than what Seattle would have wanted from the Leafs to protect both Kerfoot and Dermott though. I'm not in love with the move, but I get the idea behind it.

Personally, I wanted Kerfoot off the team. So the pick would have been either Kerfoot or Dermott which would have been fine with me. I'm not sure why you give up anything to keep Kerfoot or Dermott especially when I would have preferred McCann of the three.

The only way the Leafs could steer Seattle to take Kerfoot and no one else was to cut an expensive side deal (and lose more assets?).

If they got McCann and protected him, it exposes Kerfoot/Holl/Dermott, and they just pick Holl and you're left with Kerfoot still, but now a hole in the top 4.

There was always going to be a loss somewhere in expansion. It doesn't mean the Leafs can't trade Kerfoot out anyway (his contract is attractive), or just bump him to top-6 LW and allocate cap$ to depth.

I just don't trade for McCann at all and lose either Kerfoot or Dermott which would have been preferable to what transpired.

I disagree the Kerfoot has an attractive contract.

 

[Kin]

Yeah, I don't get this one at all. I was struggling with the trade even when I thought Seattle would take Kerfoot and bought into the idea that people liked McCann more than him. Now it just seems like making a bad trade to protect a roster everyone wants to see changes to.

 

[dappleganger]

For anyone keeping score at home, McCann scored at a 61-point pace last year (over 82 games).

Kerfoot was at a 33-point pace. What a bungle by Leafs management.

Obviously I got my hopes up.

 

[Kin]

The only way the Leafs could steer Seattle to take Kerfoot and no one else was to cut an expensive side deal (and lose more assets?).

So? Nobody was going to be crying if they took Dermott or anyone else the Leafs left undrafted. The Leafs have, presumably, some near NHL level defensemen who they could get to step in.

 

[bustaheims]

For anyone keeping score at home, McCann scored at a 61-point pace last year (over 82 games).

Kerfoot was at a 33-point pace. What a bungle by Leafs management.

Obviously I got my hopes up.

It's unlikely McCann keeps up that offensive pace. He and Kerfoot both most likely end up in the 35-40 point range.

 

[dappleganger]

The only way the Leafs could steer Seattle to take Kerfoot and no one else was to cut an expensive side deal (and lose more assets?).

So? Nobody was going to be crying if they took Dermott or anyone else the Leafs left undrafted. The Leafs have, presumably, some near NHL level defensemen who they could get to step in.

I mean, Dermott was in the press box to start the playoffs last season...  :-\

 

[Guilt Trip]

I had a feeling that without a side deal they would've picked McCann. I get the rationale but are we overvaluing Justin Holl?

I think people are undervaluing him. He's a 20+ mins RD that plays against the pther teams best, kills penalties and is signed for 2 more years at 2 mill. Go back a week ago and most Leaf fans wouldn't even know who McCann was. Good move by Dubas to protect the roster and our top 4 D in the process.

 

[louisstamos]

Yeah, I don't get this one at all. I was struggling with the trade even when I thought Seattle would take Kerfoot and bought into the idea that people liked McCann more than him. Now it just seems like making a bad trade to protect a roster everyone wants to see changes to.

I think that's exactly it.  I get trying to protect the roster, but this is a roster that blew a 3-1 series lead to Montreal.  People wanted to see changes, and getting McCann for a low cost felt like a W.  Now it's gone.

I get that it's early in the process, and trades can still happen.  But this fanbase really needs a W.

 

[dappleganger]

For anyone keeping score at home, McCann scored at a 61-point pace last year (over 82 games).

Kerfoot was at a 33-point pace. What a bungle by Leafs management.

Obviously I got my hopes up.

It's unlikely McCann keeps up that offensive pace. He and Kerfoot both most likely end up in the 35-40 point range.

Fair point, but McCann is better defensively and cheaper so I take McCann every time.

Also, I think Kerfoot has largely proven that while he's a good player, he's just not a great fit on this Leafs team.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Also, I think Kerfoot has largely proven that while he's a good player, he's just not a great fit on this Leafs team.

Assuming he's even back at all, the team needs another 3C to shift him to the wing for him to really succeed. So that'll be one of Dubas' big tasks this offseason.

 

[wnc096]

I had a feeling that without a side deal they would've picked McCann. I get the rationale but are we overvaluing Justin Holl?

I think people are undervaluing him. He's a 20+ mins RD that plays against the pther teams best, kills penalties and is signed for 2 more years at 2 mill. Go back a week ago and most Leaf fans wouldn't even know who McCann was. Good move by Dubas to protect the roster and our top 4 D in the process.

I think people are overvaluing Mccann...and Kerfoot for that matter.  Holl at 2M is far more valuable than McCann at 3M and kerfoot at 3.5

 

[Guilt Trip]

I had a feeling that without a side deal they would've picked McCann. I get the rationale but are we overvaluing Justin Holl?

I think people are undervaluing him. He's a 20+ mins RD that plays against the pther teams best, kills penalties and is signed for 2 more years at 2 mill. Go back a week ago and most Leaf fans wouldn't even know who McCann was. Good move by Dubas to protect the roster and our top 4 D in the process.

I think people are overvaluing Mccann...and Kerfoot for that matter.  Holl at 2M is far more valuable than McCann at 3M and kerfoot at 3.5

Agree. Holl is the key here. Dubas was going 4-4-1 as soon as he signed Dermott.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Also, I think Kerfoot has largely proven that while he's a good player, he's just not a great fit on this Leafs team.

Kerfoot was one of the few players that actually did well these past playoffs. He really stepped it up in Tavares' spot and has 9pts in his last 12 playoff games. McCann has 3 in 12 career playoff games.

 

[Kin]

I think people are overvaluing Mccann...and Kerfoot for that matter.  Holl at 2M is far more valuable than McCann at 3M and kerfoot at 3.5

If they hadn't traded for McCann would they have had to expose Holl? I thought they went 7-3-1 and Holl was one of the three?