Jays Roster Discussion

[hockeyfan1]

Blue Jays' starting pitchers so far rank first in the A.L. In ERA, WHIP, & WAR.

Also, the Jays have accumulated a 41-23 w/l record since May 19 -- the best in the American League.


Source:  SportsnetCentral

 

[Joe S.]

I have a very strong dislike of smoak.

And Upton... Dude just swings 3 times and sits down.

 

[sickbeast]

Greetings, friends. I, for one, do not feel that this forum is arrogant. I appreciate the nearly scholarly effort some people put into helping people like me understand the game of hockey (and the world at large).

And now, kindling for what is turning into a semi-annual flame out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

More on topic: 6-man rotation = more rest for Estrada (or whoever else might need it)? I don't know. They can do whatever they want. I'm still bemoaning the missed opportunity to have a rotation of Syndergaard, Sanchez, Stroman.

What you're going to psychoanalyze me?  F that.  I say we take a look inside Herman's head...

 

[L K]

I have a very strong dislike of smoak.

And Upton... Dude just swings 3 times and sits down.

Smoak's extension is baffling to me.  He's 29 and is coming off a career best .768 OPS season as a 1B/DH only player.  He can't hit offspeed pitches at all.  Smoak is what he is.  Certainly not a guy who needed a 2-year extension. 

 

[sickbeast]

I have a very strong dislike of smoak.

And Upton... Dude just swings 3 times and sits down.

Smoak's extension is baffling to me.  He's 29 and is coming off a career best .768 OPS season as a 1B/DH only player.  He can't hit offspeed pitches at all.  Smoak is what he is.  Certainly not a guy who needed a 2-year extension.

At $4 million per season I'm ok with his extension.  Encarnacion is not durable enough to play first base every day and Smoak is better than him defensively.  Smoak saved the game the other day actually with a nice dig at first base at the end of the game.

There is also the fact that Edwin may walk.  Now at least we have Smoak.

I'm not saying I like him either but the price is right and he's an ok fill in until they can find someone better in the event that Edwin walks.  He's going to earn a massive contract.  He's on pace for 50+ home runs and something like 140RBI.

 

[Kin]

Smoak's extension is baffling to me.  He's 29 and is coming off a career best .768 OPS season as a 1B/DH only player.  He can't hit offspeed pitches at all.  Smoak is what he is.  Certainly not a guy who needed a 2-year extension.

Yeah, that's a weird one. Even if the Jays lose both Edwin and Jose(who really needs to be moved out of RF) then you really have to question when they'll ever want to give a lot of at-bats to a guy who's essentially been a replacement level player his whole career(1.8 career WAR).

 

[L K]

Gibbons needs to stop relying on Cecil.  He's not good.

 

[Joe S.]

Saunders had been a whole lot of nothing since the all star break

 

[hockeyfan1]

Saunders had been a whole lot of nothing since the all star break

He has significantly cooled off since then, which has seen his batting average floundering at .132 in his 53 at-bats so far.

 

[herman]

Went to last night's eventful game.

Thoughts:

• Jose saved two sac fly tag ups (one would've been a run) by reputation alone, as he didn't look like he was going to make any good throws that game.
• Devon Travis has one of my favourite hitting approaches to the game and it netted him a 4-hit night, including the game winner
• Why don't we ever ever bunt? Many a 2-runners with less than 2 outs situation and a crummy hitter comes up to whiff out or ground into worse.
• Me: "Josh Thole's bat is so shiny"
  My brother: "Because it never touches the ball."
  Me: "LOL"
• Saunders is having trouble with his timing
• Biagini, Grilli, Osuna is a pretty formidable back end of the bullpen now
• 43k+ people on a Monday night vs the last place team in the division made for a surprisingly rockin' dome
• I grew up basically on the Internet, so I kept up a pretty steady stream of game thread style commentary throughout the game that was probably audible to my relatively silent seat neighbours. Is this kosher or not?

 

[cabber24]

Gibbons needs to stop relying on Cecil.  He's not good.

He basically went a season without giving up a run. Gibbons waited out Stroman's bad play as well as Tulo's and it paid off. We need good L handers in the pen. Hopefully he comes around too. A lot of the decisions Gibbons has made that I disagree with turn out in hind sight to be good decisions.

 

[cabber24]

Jose saved two sac fly tag ups (one would've been a run) by reputation alone, as he didn't look like he was going to make any good throws that game.

I cringe every time he even considers throwing hard from the outfield. I am afraid he's going to hurt himself and don't really believe his arm is as good as it was.

Why don't we ever ever bunt? Many a 2-runners with less than 2 outs situation and a crummy hitter comes up to whiff out or ground into worse.

I wish they would play more small ball as well. What's wrong with scoring runs, bank them when you can.

43k+ people on a Monday night vs the last place team in the division made for a surprisingly rockin' dome

Should have lots of $ to dish out, let's sign a least one of Edwin or Bautista, what budget... give me a break.

 

[cabber24]

Jose saved two sac fly tag ups (one would've been a run) by reputation alone, as he didn't look like he was going to make any good throws that game.

I cringe every time he even considers throwing hard from the outfield. I am afraid he's going to hurt himself and don't really believe his arm is as good as it was.

Hurt himself throwing... not his arm but still hurt himself. Losing millions and millions with his recent play and injuries given his age.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Patrick Roy, now ex-coach & V.P. of player operations  and Joe Sakic (current GM), were as different in personalities as night and day, with Ray being temperamental & outspoken, and Sakic being  quiet  & unassuming in his ways.

So, it's safe to say that the two were obviously at loggerheads concerning the direction and status of the team in general,

This may give some insight:

Sakic, the so-called GM, and Roy, the coach who was always suspected of having a major say in personnel moves.

Only this summer rumour has it that Roy was the one making the decisions on which scouts remained in the Avs employ and which ones didn?t.

Did he want Sakic to hold on to Ryan O?Reilly last summer, when Sakic dealt him to Buffalo? Was he against keeping defenceman Tyson Barrie, who finally settled on a contract in Denver last month? Did Roy wish for Matt Duchene to be moved, and Sakic either wouldn?t comply or couldn?t find a satisfactory deal?

What GM would want a coach who demands a weighty say in all personnel issues? And what coach, considering the tepid success Roy has had at the NHL level, would want to divide his own attention that way?


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/roys-desire-total-control-recipe-failure/

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Patrick Roy, now ex-coach & V.P. of player operations  and Joe Sakic (current GM), were as different in personalities as night and day, with Ray being temperamental & outspoken, and Sakic being  quiet  & unassuming in his ways.

So, it's safe to say that the two were obviously at loggerheads concerning the direction and status of the team in general,

This may give some insight:

Sakic, the so-called GM, and Roy, the coach who was always suspected of having a major say in personnel moves.

Only this summer rumour has it that Roy was the one making the decisions on which scouts remained in the Avs employ and which ones didn?t.

Did he want Sakic to hold on to Ryan O?Reilly last summer, when Sakic dealt him to Buffalo? Was he against keeping defenceman Tyson Barrie, who finally settled on a contract in Denver last month? Did Roy wish for Matt Duchene to be moved, and Sakic either wouldn?t comply or couldn?t find a satisfactory deal?

What GM would want a coach who demands a weighty say in all personnel issues? And what coach, considering the tepid success Roy has had at the NHL level, would want to divide his own attention that way?


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/roys-desire-total-control-recipe-failure/

Wrong sport and thread.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Patrick Roy, now ex-coach & V.P. of player operations  and Joe Sakic (current GM), were as different in personalities as night and day, with Ray being temperamental & outspoken, and Sakic being  quiet  & unassuming in his ways.

So, it's safe to say that the two were obviously at loggerheads concerning the direction and status of the team in general,

This may give some insight:

Sakic, the so-called GM, and Roy, the coach who was always suspected of having a major say in personnel moves.

Only this summer rumour has it that Roy was the one making the decisions on which scouts remained in the Avs employ and which ones didn?t.

Did he want Sakic to hold on to Ryan O?Reilly last summer, when Sakic dealt him to Buffalo? Was he against keeping defenceman Tyson Barrie, who finally settled on a contract in Denver last month? Did Roy wish for Matt Duchene to be moved, and Sakic either wouldn?t comply or couldn?t find a satisfactory deal?

What GM would want a coach who demands a weighty say in all personnel issues? And what coach, considering the tepid success Roy has had at the NHL level, would want to divide his own attention that way?


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/roys-desire-total-control-recipe-failure/

Wrong sport and thread.

Cripes!  How did this happen??  I was using my stylus on my smartphone and thought I had the proper page saved which I did, but due to email notifications & navigating through the different thread topics, a mixup occurred. (*sigh*)

Thanks for the alert, HS.  I'll redirect it accordingly. 

 

[rdowdall]

Patrick Roy, now ex-coach & V.P. of player operations  and Joe Sakic (current GM), were as different in personalities as night and day, with Ray being temperamental & outspoken, and Sakic being  quiet  & unassuming in his ways.

So, it's safe to say that the two were obviously at loggerheads concerning the direction and status of the team in general,

This may give some insight:

Sakic, the so-called GM, and Roy, the coach who was always suspected of having a major say in personnel moves.

Only this summer rumour has it that Roy was the one making the decisions on which scouts remained in the Avs employ and which ones didn?t.

Did he want Sakic to hold on to Ryan O?Reilly last summer, when Sakic dealt him to Buffalo? Was he against keeping defenceman Tyson Barrie, who finally settled on a contract in Denver last month? Did Roy wish for Matt Duchene to be moved, and Sakic either wouldn?t comply or couldn?t find a satisfactory deal?

What GM would want a coach who demands a weighty say in all personnel issues? And what coach, considering the tepid success Roy has had at the NHL level, would want to divide his own attention that way?


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/roys-desire-total-control-recipe-failure/

Wrong sport and thread.

However, if the Jays hire Roy, then credit must be given to HockeyFan for the prognostication factor.

 

[hockeyfan1]

LOL! 

 

[Joe S.]

Why would they get a message from clemens?

I'm watching the ceremony with my son... He loves the 80s mustaches.

 

[cabber24]

Ticket prices going up:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/toronto-blue-jays-restructure-ticket-pricing-system/

Time to sign Edwin.

Asked if the new pricing structure is expected to increase the revenue-per-ticket for the Blue Jays, Miller replied: ?That?s hard to say. Our goal is make sure that we?re aligning value for the fans, so we?re trying to give more choice for some fans that may be selecting games that they otherwise wouldn?t have selected in different parts of the season.?

Huh? Give me a break... obviously it will increase revenue.