Kadri facing possible suspension (edit: 3 games)

[Palmateer29]

Kadri deserves a minimum of two games.  He absolutely drives his elbow through Backstrom's head.  His elbow is close to his body, granted, but as contact is made is arm drives through and Backstrom's head clearly snaps back.  Although I will acknowledge that Backstrom's after-the-hit state is a bit overboard.

Backstrom most certainly sold it but you are bang on correct that Kadri saw Backstrom and lunged through the goalie.

It was an idiotic play and deserves suspension.

The bias around here is a tad frightening though not surprising.

If this occured to one of the Leafs goalies the place would be burning down.

Personally I think it should be more fine worthy than suspension worthy. It didn't look to much different to me than Reimer getting run over in Montreal by Gionta except the follow through. Also it would be nice if he doesn't automatically become a "repeat offender" after this incident.

I agree with the comment about our goalie getting run over and hopefully now someone would have done something about it. I was surprised Kadri only got a little face-wash for that.

 

[Deebo]

Kadri deserves a minimum of two games.  He absolutely drives his elbow through Backstrom's head.  His elbow is close to his body, granted, but as contact is made is arm drives through and Backstrom's head clearly snaps back.  Although I will acknowledge that Backstrom's after-the-hit state is a bit overboard.

Backstrom most certainly sold it but you are bang on correct that Kadri saw Backstrom and lunged through the goalie.

It was an idiotic play and deserves suspension.

The bias around here is a tad frightening though not surprising.

If this occured to one of the Leafs goalies the place would be burning down.

It did happen to Reimer and Gionta didn't get suspended.

 

[Bullfrog]

It was an idiotic play and deserves suspension.

The bias around here is a tad frightening though not surprising.

If this occured to one of the Leafs goalies the place would be burning down.

I think that's mostly just a strawman argument. Just speaking for myself, I try my best to look at the replays objectively. I'm not denying it should have been a penalty, but I don't think there was intent to injure and I don't believe there should be a suspension. I'm confident I'd feel the same if it was Bernier that got hit by a Wild player.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

The bias is frightening? Excuse me while I laugh.

Good to know you can dismiss everyone that disagrees with "I'm right, you're biased."

 

[Bullfrog]

Definitely a game or two.

The best point in this thread imo is that if this happened to a Leafs goalie we would be calling for the perpetrators head on a stick.

I don't think it's the best point at all. Fans' emotional reaction to their player getting hit isn't exactly the gold standard of objective analysis.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Definitely a game or two.

The best point in this thread imo is that if this happened to a Leafs goalie we would be calling for the perpetrators head on a stick.

I don't think it's the best point at all. Fans' emotional reaction to their player getting hit isn't exactly the gold standard of objective analysis.

The best point is whichever one aligns with your own opinion really.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Kadri deserves a minimum of two games.  He absolutely drives his elbow through Backstrom's head.  His elbow is close to his body, granted, but as contact is made is arm drives through and Backstrom's head clearly snaps back.  Although I will acknowledge that Backstrom's after-the-hit state is a bit overboard.

Backstrom most certainly sold it but you are bang on correct that Kadri saw Backstrom and lunged through the goalie.

It was an idiotic play and deserves suspension.

The bias around here is a tad frightening though not surprising.

If this occured to one of the Leafs goalies the place would be burning down.

Personally I think it should be more fine worthy than suspension worthy. It didn't look to much different to me than Reimer getting run over in Montreal by Gionta except the follow through. Also it would be nice if he doesn't automatically become a "repeat offender" after this incident.

I agree with the comment about our goalie getting run over and hopefully now someone would have done something about it. I was surprised Kadri only got a little face-wash for that.

I think the follow through is what makes it suspension worthy.

I'm shocked Kadri didn't get his rearend kicked at some point during the game for that idiotic play.

I'm a tad tired of Kadri's look of disbelief and constant whining when something doesn't go his way or a call goes against him. He looks like a 5 year old that didn't get a treat at the toy store.

Start putting up some points and quit trying to play like Matt Cooke.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

He doesn't follow through.  He lifts his arms up after the contact has been made and his arms lifting up do not impact the contact at all.  Watch the video in the first post at :46-:50.  His arms moving have absolutely no impact on Backstrom, the impact has already occurred and Backstrom is already down/going down.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Kadri deserves a minimum of two games.  He absolutely drives his elbow through Backstrom's head.  His elbow is close to his body, granted, but as contact is made is arm drives through and Backstrom's head clearly snaps back.  Although I will acknowledge that Backstrom's after-the-hit state is a bit overboard.

Backstrom most certainly sold it but you are bang on correct that Kadri saw Backstrom and lunged through the goalie.

It was an idiotic play and deserves suspension.

The bias around here is a tad frightening though not surprising.

If this occured to one of the Leafs goalies the place would be burning down.

It did happen to Reimer and Gionta didn't get suspended.

And?

I'm not real sure of your point? That because it happened before, it's ok now?

 

[OldTimeHockey]

The bias is frightening? Excuse me while I laugh.

Good to know you can dismiss everyone that disagrees with "I'm right, you're biased."

You don't think there's a slight bias in here? Really?

It has nothing to do with me being right or you being right.

 

[Bullfrog]

I think the follow through is what makes it suspension worthy.

I'm shocked Kadri didn't get his rearend kicked at some point during the game for that idiotic play.

I'm a tad tired of Kadri's look of disbelief and constant whining when something doesn't go his way or a call goes against him. He looks like a 5 year old that didn't get a treat at the toy store.

Start putting up some points and quit trying to play like Matt Cooke.

So he should be suspended because he gave a forearm shiver to the air?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

The bias is frightening? Excuse me while I laugh.

Good to know you can dismiss everyone that disagrees with "I'm right, you're biased."

You don't think there's a slight bias in here? Really?

It has nothing to do with me being right or you being right.

Then why did you bring up bias if not to suggest that anyone who thinks he shouldn't be suspended is biased?

I never said there wasn't bias here.  It's inherent.  Maybe you're going out of your way to appear non-biased to the Leafs.

Or we could just ignore bias altogether and debate the merits of each other's opinions on the hit.

 

[Palmateer29]

When can we expect news and results from Shanny's Magic 8 Ball regarding the decision?

 

[OldTimeHockey]

He doesn't follow through.  He lifts his arms up after the contact has been made and his arms lifting up do not impact the contact at all.  Watch the video in the first post at :46-:50.  His arms moving have absolutely no impact on Backstrom, the impact has already occurred and Backstrom is already down/going down.

I was quoting someone else. Perhaps I should of put the term 'follow through' in parentheses.

IMO, he clearly sees Backstrom, pushes his weight through Backstrom's head and makes zero attempt to avoid the contact. If anything, he makes the contact worse.

The point is, the prime point of contact is the head. He hit a unsuspecting player and injured him. It wasn't incidental contact IMO, it was contact where the player directed his energy at the goalie as opposed to trying to avoid the hit.

I'll give everyone that Backstrom was on his knees and if it was any other player on the ice I could see no suspension for that very reason...but the fact it was a goalie (making a save) makes it suspendable.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

When can we expect news and results from Shanny's Magic 8 Ball regarding the decision?

It is decidedly so.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

The bias is frightening? Excuse me while I laugh.

Good to know you can dismiss everyone that disagrees with "I'm right, you're biased."

You don't think there's a slight bias in here? Really?

It has nothing to do with me being right or you being right.

Then why did you bring up bias if not to suggest that anyone who thinks he shouldn't be suspended is biased?

I never said there wasn't bias here.  It's inherent.  Maybe you're going out of your way to appear non-biased to the Leafs.

Or we could just ignore bias altogether and debate the merits of each other's opinions on the hit.

Hey, I'm all for debating merits as long as someone is willing to look at it objectively as well.

I don't go out of my way to be non biased, i just call idiotic plays for what they are regardless of the team.

And let me know where I said that everyone who thought it wasn't suspendable was bias.

 

[Deebo]

That because it happened before, it's ok now?

Pretty much, yeah.

Suspensions aren't handed down based on what incidents fans think should warrant a suspension. History (Lucic, Gionta) has shown that similar incidents haven't resulted in any supplemental discipline. I would say that this also shouldn't warrant a suspension with the way these incidents have been dealt with in the past.

If they want to change what warrants a suspension, that's fine. That's a different debate all together, one that I'm not terribly interested in.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

That because it happened before, it's ok now?

Pretty much, yeah.

Suspensions aren't handed down based on what incidents fans think should warrant a suspension. History (Lucic, Gionta) has shown that similar incidents haven't resulted in any supplemental discipline. I would say that this also shouldn't warrant a suspension with the way these incidents have been dealt with in the past.

If they want to change what warrants a suspension, that's fine. That's a different debate all together, one that I'm not terribly interested in.

Do we not believe that they changed their stance on the suspendable act once the Miller debacle took place? The outcry from the lack of a suspension in that case seemed to certainly influence Shannahan's decision in regards to TooToo.

 

[Deebo]

That because it happened before, it's ok now?

Pretty much, yeah.

Suspensions aren't handed down based on what incidents fans think should warrant a suspension. History (Lucic, Gionta) has shown that similar incidents haven't resulted in any supplemental discipline. I would say that this also shouldn't warrant a suspension with the way these incidents have been dealt with in the past.

If they want to change what warrants a suspension, that's fine. That's a different debate all together, one that I'm not terribly interested in.

Do we not believe that they changed their stance on the suspendable act once the Miller debacle took place? The outcry from the lack of a suspension in that case seemed to certainly influence Shannahan's decision in regards to TooToo.

I forgot about that one I can't look at the hit to compare since I'm at work.

Tootoo was a repeat offender though, and got 2 games. So if they are using that as a precedent, 1 game or a fine should do it.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

That because it happened before, it's ok now?

Pretty much, yeah.

Suspensions aren't handed down based on what incidents fans think should warrant a suspension. History (Lucic, Gionta) has shown that similar incidents haven't resulted in any supplemental discipline. I would say that this also shouldn't warrant a suspension with the way these incidents have been dealt with in the past.

If they want to change what warrants a suspension, that's fine. That's a different debate all together, one that I'm not terribly interested in.

Do we not believe that they changed their stance on the suspendable act once the Miller debacle took place? The outcry from the lack of a suspension in that case seemed to certainly influence Shannahan's decision in regards to TooToo.

Tootoo also drove towards the net knowing what he was doing the entire time, and jumped up into the goalie.  TSN's recap of the suspensions says:

In Shanahan's video explaining the Tootoo suspension, he notes that the player looked up and saw Miller before crashing into him and actually made the contact worse by jumping as he entered the crease.

You have to watch the play at normal speed to see how quickly Kadri goes from not looking at Backstrom to turning, realizing where he is, and hitting him before he gets a chance to react.  The forearm/arm movement is his delayed reaction to avoid.

Kadri's comments bear that out:

"I think I just got a little too in tight," said Kadri. "I saw Lupes turn around and I actually tipped the puck and I think it hit the post and just as I was trying to get the rebound I just ran out of real estate."