Kapanen traded

[Frank E]

With the Rangers winning the Lafreniere draft, they'll now have Panarin, Kreider, and Lafreniere at LW, right?

 

[Chris]

I didn't hear that but if the right D man were to be made available, I'm sure they'd use the pick if needed.

Obviously if it's the only option to getting that elusive top-4 defenceman Dubas should probably do it, but man I'd love to be able to keep the pick considering our prospect system right now. Hallander and whoever we select would arguably be our top-2 prospects if you assume Sandin and Robertson are "graduated"

For all the hype on Robertson I don't necessarily think he's ready to play in the NHL.

Tough to get a read on that given that he was thrust into the NHL in a playoff series without much practice time.

He did look uncertain and ineffective a lot of the time, seemed to "run around" a lot in the offensive zone without accomplishing much. In the defensive zone he looked like he didn't really know where he should be. I suspect a lot of that was largely due to not having had much time to practice in the system.

The good points...terrific shot, wanted the puck. No quit. Not so good...tended to develop tunnel vision once he had the puck (shoot, shoot, don't consider whether there is a better option). Easy to muscle off the puck. Tough to also determine how much of an impact Kapanen had on him, as he wasn't particularly effective.

Robertson would probably benefit from another year in junior but might be OK in the NHL if he gets a full training camp under his belt and then can kind of get adjusted playing somewhat sheltered minutes the early part of the season.

 

[Chris]

-The return for Kapanen was good considering we were selling low
Some thoughts however...
-You would think he was making 6 milion plus for how so many are claiming that we she'd so much cap room
-don't forget, Kapanen was scoring at a 25 goal pace for a good part of 18/19 season and slumped at end....if he goes on to score 25 or 30+, 3.2 million will be a huge bargain
- we lose our fastest player and probably most effective PK guy
- although he wasn't a consistent enough forechecker, we are losing some more grit in our top 9....now the only guy opposing D have to worry about being run thru the boards is Hyman
- Robertson will not strike any fear in opposing D if he fills that spot

I'm  not convinced he was all that great of a penalty killer. Yeah, he was fast and disruptive while other teams were trying to enter the zone (and when he did get a breakaway he had a high conversion rate). But it always looked like he didn't know where to be once the opponents got set up, and there seemed to be a lot of goals scored while he was out there. I don't know if there are any stats that can corroborate that but that was my impression. Overall I think Marner and Hyman are the bests penalty killers. Mikheyev looks good as does Engvall, they both have long reach and are also threats with speed. Kerfoot looked decent when he got the chance.

I will admit I'm going to miss Kapanen even though he was an extremely frustrating player. Fun to watch, especially when he got the speed going or decided to stir things up (not enough of the latter). But seemed to be invisible a lot of the time. Think he will do well in Pit.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I didn't hear that but if the right D man were to be made available, I'm sure they'd use the pick if needed.

Obviously if it's the only option to getting that elusive top-4 defenceman Dubas should probably do it, but man I'd love to be able to keep the pick considering our prospect system right now. Hallander and whoever we select would arguably be our top-2 prospects if you assume Sandin and Robertson are "graduated"

For all the hype on Robertson I don't necessarily think he's ready to play in the NHL.

Tough to get a read on that given that he was thrust into the NHL in a playoff series without much practice time.

He did look uncertain and ineffective a lot of the time, seemed to "run around" a lot in the offensive zone without accomplishing much. In the defensive zone he looked like he didn't really know where he should be. I suspect a lot of that was largely due to not having had much time to practice in the system.

The good points...terrific shot, wanted the puck. No quit. Not so good...tended to develop tunnel vision once he had the puck (shoot, shoot, don't consider whether there is a better option). Easy to muscle off the puck. Tough to also determine how much of an impact Kapanen had on him, as he wasn't particularly effective.

Robertson would probably benefit from another year in junior but might be OK in the NHL if he gets a full training camp under his belt and then can kind of get adjusted playing somewhat sheltered minutes the early part of the season.

He won't benefit going back to junior. He's surpassed that league and seeing he can't go to the AHL, he'll be on the Leafs. I love that he wants to shoot the puck and his hustle. He's got great speed. He'll learn the finer points of the game, no doubt in my mind.

 

[gunnar36]

It feels pointless to speculate about this since more moves are certainly coming, but this also opens up a forward slot in the expansion draft of course. So now we've got:

F: Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Kerfoot, Johnsson, ________ (Hyman? Envgall?)
D: Rielly, Muzzin, ________ (Holl? Dermott? Offseason acquisition?)
G: Andersen/Campbell/whoever

I believe Engvall would be exempt since he would only be a 2nd year player.  I would speculate that Hyman and maybe Clifford will be two added to list by then.  The goat might be resigned to cheap contract to be one of the sacrificial lambs (no pun intended) in expansion draft.

 

[herman]

Engvall is not exempt from the expansion draft.

 

[bustaheims]

Engvall is not exempt from the expansion draft.

Nope. He may only be going into his 2nd NHL season, but he's it is officially his 3rd being paid on an NHL contract, so, by the league's standards, he's a 3rd year professional.

 

[Guilt Trip]

It feels pointless to speculate about this since more moves are certainly coming, but this also opens up a forward slot in the expansion draft of course. So now we've got:

F: Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Kerfoot, Johnsson, ________ (Hyman? Envgall?)
D: Rielly, Muzzin, ________ (Holl? Dermott? Offseason acquisition?)
G: Andersen/Campbell/whoever

I believe Engvall would be exempt since he would only be a 2nd year player.  I would speculate that Hyman and maybe Clifford will be two added to list by then.  The goat might be resigned to cheap contract to be one of the sacrificial lambs (no pun intended) in expansion draft.

Hyman probably won't be signed until after the expansion draft. He'll be a UFA and won't need to be protected. I seriously doubt the Leafs would protect Clifford if he is still on the team. As others have said, Engvall is not exempt if he plays 18 games next season.

 

[gunnar36]

Engvall is not exempt from the expansion draft.

Nope. He may only be going into his 2nd NHL season, but he's it is officially his 3rd being paid on an NHL contract, so, by the league's standards, he's a 3rd year professional.

Ok, thanks for the correction

 

[herman]

Engvall is not exempt from the expansion draft.

Nope. He may only be going into his 2nd NHL season, but he's it is officially his 3rd being paid on an NHL contract, so, by the league's standards, he's a 3rd year professional.

Ok, thanks for the correction

Don't get too attached to Engvall is all I'm saying

 

[gunnar36]

Hyman probably won't be signed until after the expansion draft. He'll be a UFA and won't need to be protected. I seriously doubt the Leafs would protect Clifford if he is still on the team. As others have said, Engvall is not exempt if he plays 18 games next season.

Yeah forget that Clifford thought. Had a brain fart and momentarily thought you could protect 9 forwards and 3 d. 

 

[Chris]

I didn't hear that but if the right D man were to be made available, I'm sure they'd use the pick if needed.

Obviously if it's the only option to getting that elusive top-4 defenceman Dubas should probably do it, but man I'd love to be able to keep the pick considering our prospect system right now. Hallander and whoever we select would arguably be our top-2 prospects if you assume Sandin and Robertson are "graduated"

For all the hype on Robertson I don't necessarily think he's ready to play in the NHL.

Tough to get a read on that given that he was thrust into the NHL in a playoff series without much practice time.

He did look uncertain and ineffective a lot of the time, seemed to "run around" a lot in the offensive zone without accomplishing much. In the defensive zone he looked like he didn't really know where he should be. I suspect a lot of that was largely due to not having had much time to practice in the system.

The good points...terrific shot, wanted the puck. No quit. Not so good...tended to develop tunnel vision once he had the puck (shoot, shoot, don't consider whether there is a better option). Easy to muscle off the puck. Tough to also determine how much of an impact Kapanen had on him, as he wasn't particularly effective.

Robertson would probably benefit from another year in junior but might be OK in the NHL if he gets a full training camp under his belt and then can kind of get adjusted playing somewhat sheltered minutes the early part of the season.

He won't benefit going back to junior. He's surpassed that league and seeing he can't go to the AHL, he'll be on the Leafs. I love that he wants to shoot the puck and his hustle. He's got great speed. He'll learn the finer points of the game, no doubt in my mind.

Maybe. The Leafs kept Marner in junior for that extra year (though of course the Leafs are at a different place in their timeline now). Maybe they keep Robertson there and have him work on other aspects of his game and strength development. Probably depends on other moves that may be made this summer as well as whether certain other players (Barabanov, Korshkov) are ready to contribute in a meaningful way.

Of course, the fact that the Leafs put him right into the playoff lineup probably indicates they believe he's ready for a full time NHL role. I don't think he really showed that but who knows what Dubas and Keefe think.

 

[ZBBM]

Engvall is not exempt from the expansion draft.

Nope. He may only be going into his 2nd NHL season, but he's it is officially his 3rd being paid on an NHL contract, so, by the league's standards, he's a 3rd year professional.

Ok, thanks for the correction

Don't get too attached to Engvall is all I'm saying

It's too late.  Far too late.

I like a guy who knows how to stick his neck out.

I'm already gearing up to have the Kraken be my 2-A team.

 

[Champ Kind]

Engvall is not exempt from the expansion draft.

Nope. He may only be going into his 2nd NHL season, but he's it is officially his 3rd being paid on an NHL contract, so, by the league's standards, he's a 3rd year professional.

Ok, thanks for the correction

Don't get too attached to Engvall is all I'm saying

It's too late.  Far too late.

I like a guy who knows how to stick his neck out.

Good grief, thank you.  This made my morning...

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/LeafsAllDayy/status/1301554649317679106

lol

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/LeafsAllDayy/status/1301554649317679106

lol

In the words of Owen Nolan..."Boo Hoo"

 

[Bender]

https://twitter.com/LeafsAllDayy/status/1301554649317679106

lol

They can suck it.

 

[herman]

As if any of them were going to give us a better deal for Kapanen, with their automatically lower first rounders.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

As if any of them were going to give us a better deal for Kapanen, with their automatically lower first rounders.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were all more interested in scoring that 1st rounder from Rutherford. Especially a team like Tampa that didn't have a 1st and will also have some middle-6 forwards to unload.

 

[herman]

As if any of them were going to give us a better deal for Kapanen, with their automatically lower first rounders.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were all more interested in scoring that 1st rounder from Rutherford. Especially a team like Tampa that didn't have a 1st and will also have some middle-6 forwards to unload.

So, Dubas did good, yeah?