Leafs acquire Foligno

[CarltonTheBear]

Well I guess the question now would be where does he play. Could really see him going on any of the LW spots in the top-9. Maybe through him right on the top line and see if he can have a Hyman-effect:

Foligno-Matthews-Marner
Galchenyuk-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kerfoot-Hyman
Thornton-Spezza-Simmonds

With Engvall and Nash both in play too come playoff time the old guys (specifically Thornton and Simmonds) might be on the hot seat.

 

[Kin]

I mean a late 1st could be another Sandin or Robertson, so they've had some success there (Robertson of course drafted a little later than that). Still shows that those aren't exactly pieces to toss aside.

As a general rule I'd usually use guys who've actually had NHL success as examples of what you can do with a pick like that but I think maybe the more immediate point might be that if those guys are on the Leafs next year then whoever the Leafs might have taken with this pick would almost certainly be the team's #2 or #3 prospect.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Don't love the price. Hopefully he'll make us look silly for thinking that in the playoffs.

A late 1st isn't much. No issue with the price.

I think it says a lot about this team's drafting record that some think late 1sts aren't a big deal.

I mean a late 1st could be another Sandin or Robertson, so they've had some success there (Robertson of course drafted a little later than that). Still shows that those aren't exactly pieces to toss aside.

Some saving grace is that this draft could be a bit of a mess.

But it isn't Sandin or Robertson. I'd rather give up this pick then one of those guys or Amirov. Leafs are getting a player, not a salary dump ala Marleau.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

does this move use up all the cap space?

My guess would be if Andersen is set to come back during the regular season: yes. If he's on LTIR until playoffs they still have room.

 

[Frank E]

A first round pick for 7 goals and grit?

Pricy.

 

[herman]

Finally got that (_!_)

 

[Guilt Trip]

I mean a late 1st could be another Sandin or Robertson, so they've had some success there (Robertson of course drafted a little later than that). Still shows that those aren't exactly pieces to toss aside.

As a general rule I'd usually use guys who've actually had NHL success as examples of what you can do with a pick like that but I think maybe the more immediate point might be that if those guys are on the Leafs next year then whoever the Leafs might have taken with this pick would almost certainly be the team's #2 or #3 prospect.

Doubtful that Sandin, Robertson, Amirov, Liljegren get bumped especially with this upcoming draft that's going to be hit or miss.

 

[caver]

does this move use up all the cap space?

My guess would be if Andersen is set to come back during the regular season: yes. If he's on LTIR until playoffs they still have room.

so.. if Andersen is out they can make another move... if he is not it would have to be a trade with salary going the other way..

 

[Kin]

I mean a late 1st could be another Sandin or Robertson, so they've had some success there (Robertson of course drafted a little later than that). Still shows that those aren't exactly pieces to toss aside.

As a general rule I'd usually use guys who've actually had NHL success as examples of what you can do with a pick like that but I think maybe the more immediate point might be that if those guys are on the Leafs next year then whoever the Leafs might have taken with this pick would almost certainly be the team's #2 or #3 prospect.

Doubtful that Sandin, Robertson, Amirov, Liljegren get bumped especially with this upcoming draft that's going to be hit or miss.

I thought I was fairly clear in that post that I was using the definition of prospect that would preclude anyone on the actual team but there you go.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

With a week quarantine he'll miss the next 4 games and be eligible to play in 11 regular season games.

 

[wnc096]

Don't love the price. Hopefully he'll make us look silly for thinking that in the playoffs.

A late 1st isn't much. No issue with the price.

I think it says a lot about this team's drafting record that some think late 1sts aren't a big deal.

Not really. The Leafs are in a win it now, not in 3 years when this 1st rounder may turn into a player. I also have full confidence in Dubas' drafting skills. Top 10 would be a big deal, this isn't.

I agree.  Look at Detroit, Pittsburgh, LA. If your core superstars are there you can build around them while they are in their prime.  This is the year they have to go for it.  I am bit surprised Foligno cost a 1st...

 

[caver]

and... who is Noesen?

 

[Kin]

The Leafs are in a win it now, not in 3 years when this 1st rounder may turn into a player.

By that same logic, I think you'd find reaction would be different if people felt Foligno represented a meaningful change in the team's chances to actually win it now.

 

[Guilt Trip]

A first round pick for 7 goals and grit?

Pricy.

1st, 3rd, and 4th for Savard isn't cheap either.

 

[Joe S.]

Don't love the price. Hopefully he'll make us look silly for thinking that in the playoffs.

A late 1st isn't much. No issue with the price.

Foligno himself was a late first round draft pick. So that?s an example of what you can get in the first round.

I thought a first for Hall was too much, so I don?t know how to feel about this. 33 years old and I?m guessing he?s not coming back next year. At first glance I?m not enthused.

 

[Guilt Trip]

The Leafs are in a win it now, not in 3 years when this 1st rounder may turn into a player.

By that same logic, I think you'd find reaction would be different if people felt Foligno represented a meaningful change in the team's chances to actually win it now.

So people thought Coleman was the answer in T Bay? Foligno is the kind of player this team needs and he performs well in the playoffs.

 

[Guilt Trip]

and... who is Noesen?

Marlies bound

 

[Kin]

I agree.  Look at Detroit, Pittsburgh, LA.

I have no idea what those teams have in common but Pittsburgh, at least, seems like a great example of how when you have superstars in their prime in the modern cap era the crucial part of building a lasting contender is being able to develop guys to step into roles you're inevitably going to have needs for because of cap constraints.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

and... who is Noesen?

Kind of funny that a guy named Noesen (no-Sen) was once drafted by the Sens but never played for them.

 

[Kin]

So people thought Coleman was the answer in T Bay?

I have no idea. I think Tampa was in a better place than the Leafs are right now(particularly with regards to goaltending and defense) and I'm pretty sure nobody thought Blake Coleman was the reason Tampa won the cup.

Foligno is the kind of player this team needs and he performs well in the playoffs.

I'm not sure I agree with either half of that.