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Leafs acquire Matt Murray [25% retained]

CarltonTheBear said:
There's scenarios where we get Matt Murray and I'm content with our goaltending and scenarios where we get him and I'm not. We need retention, we need an asset coming back our way, and most importantly we need another capable goalie lined up to platoon with him. If we check those boxes I think we'll have done ok. I'd still have preferred a Campbell or Kuemper signing but if another team is willing to pay them more then there's not much to be done there.

If we get him for 50% retained but don't get a sweetener attached and Kallgren and Woll are battling for the back-up spot in training camp then I'll definitely think we should have looked at other options.
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Didn?t realise we had an actual thread on this but yes, I lean Murray if the finances of the deal we get him on allows us to get someone like Riemer in as 1B
 
I also think the idea that having bad goaltending would be catastrophic to the Leafs this season is a bit off. Last season they had the 22nd best save percentage in the league (27th at 5-on-5) and still finished with 115 points. Mrazek and Kallgren were two of the worst goalies in the league and they still had winning records of 12-6 and 8-4-1 respectively.

There was almost a 3-month stretch of time (starting from when Campbell's play started to decline in early January to when he returned from injury in early April) where the Leafs save percentage ranked 30th in all situations and 32nd in 5-on-5 save percentage and the team somehow still managed a 21-11-3 record (105 point pace).

Like yeah improving the goaltending would be nice but matching last seasons numbers (0.899 Sv%) isn't really that high of a bar to reach.
 
If the Leafs were to acquire him, just like at the time when the Sens did, I think it had the potential to turn out quite well if Murray finds his way again as he did when he was a Cup winner with the Penguins.  He's still young, and the talent surely still has to be there somewhere. 

But if Murray is considered the #1 option, especially if Campbell or Kuemper (or any other quality, #1ish type goalie) aren't around to insulate him, then Dubas is certainly betting on a lot of things to go right, which could turn disastrous.  Will a bad Murray keep the Leafs from making the playoffs?  No...they're that good they can get by.  Would he be the guy to help lead them over the hump?  I sure as heck wouldn't take my chances banking on that. 
 
I know it?s not really the same thing at all, but when the leafs signed belfour, the consensus was he was washed up and it was a terrible signing. He ended up giving the leafs the 2 best years of goaltending I?ve ever seen in my lifetime.

Granted Belfour was significantly older and really only had 1 down year, but I can dream can?t I?
 
Iafrate said:
I know it?s not really the same thing at all, but when the leafs signed belfour, the consensus was he was washed up and it was a terrible signing. He ended up giving the leafs the 2 best years of goaltending I?ve ever seen in my lifetime.

Granted Belfour was significantly older and really only had 1 down year, but I can dream can?t I?
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One can certainly dream.

I'm hopeful your dream of him being like Belfour is correct, instead of my nightmare of him being like Raycroft.  :-X
 
Iafrate said:
I know it?s not really the same thing at all, but when the leafs signed belfour, the consensus was he was washed up and it was a terrible signing. He ended up giving the leafs the 2 best years of goaltending I?ve ever seen in my lifetime.

Granted Belfour was significantly older and really only had 1 down year, but I can dream can?t I?
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Murray is the next Belfour confirmed. Any issues please take them up with Iafrate.
 
I'm not really too emotional about it one way or the other, especially given CtBs point about how well the Leafs managed with mediocre goaltending. But, if it's down to 2 or 3 more-or-less equivalent guys with pros and cons, might as well go with the Thunder Bay boy.  8)
 
I didn't see this particular thread but I'll repost what I said....

I've disagreed with the Leaf's moves over the years but NEVER felt that they were screwing up THIS bad.

I keep thinking this is an elaborate prank.

Like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
 
lamajama said:
I didn't see this particular thread but I'll repost what I said....

I've disagreed with the Leaf's moves over the years but NEVER felt that they were screwing up THIS bad.

I keep thinking this is an elaborate prank.

Like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
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This literally all stems from the Tavares acquisition. I don't think the team is a train wreck but their asset management and drafting since Matthews was drafted has been awful.

Also, why are you repeating what you already said in another thread?
 
I?ll reserve judgment until the details of the trade are out, but I question the urgency to get this done (while granting that the structure of the trade could help provide some answe).
 
Well as someone who was somewhat optimistic about the trade, 25% retention and a meh sweetener is disappointing. Still think he can be a decent goalie but the Leafs should have gotten more in both those areas.
 
Yeah. A 3rd from Ottawa and a 7th basically works out to more or less what it cost the Leafs to get rid of Mrazek.

Kind of feels like two separate moves that gained the Leafs very little, at best.
 
More retention would have made this deal much more palatable. It?s?not great. Hopefully, it works out better for him here.
 
I hope the lustre of Boy Wonder's shine has finally worn off and we stop hearing how amazing he is.

What a brutal trade.
 
Peter D. said:
I hope the lustre of Boy Wonder's shine has finally worn off and we stop hearing how amazing he is.

What a brutal trade.
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Future considerations might turn out to win the Hart.
 
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