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Nik said:Yeah. A 3rd from Ottawa and a 7th basically works out to more or less what it cost the Leafs to get rid of Mrazek.
Kind of feels like two separate moves that gained the Leafs very little, at best.
Bender said:This literally all stems from the Tavares acquisition. I don't think the team is a train wreck but their asset management and drafting since Matthews was drafted has been awful.lamajama said:I didn't see this particular thread but I'll repost what I said....
I've disagreed with the Leaf's moves over the years but NEVER felt that they were screwing up THIS bad.
I keep thinking this is an elaborate prank.
Like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
Also, why are you repeating what you already said in another thread?
Nik said:Yeah. A 3rd from Ottawa and a 7th basically works out to more or less what it cost the Leafs to get rid of Mrazek.
Kind of feels like two separate moves that gained the Leafs very little, at best.
L K said:We lost cap space going to Murray from Mrazek. I?m fine with the lateral move of those two in concept but not at the cap hit. Our roster gets thinner without adding a player we should have any faith in being the reliable player we need in net
Yup It's obvious they didn't want Jack back at the ask...that speaks volumes.Iafrate said:I?m questioning the logic but at the same time he?s the leafs goalie now so I choose to be optimistic.
He?s younger than Campbell, will reportedly cost less than Campbell in term and value and has a track record as a starter.
So let?s hope this works out.
bustaheims said:Unless Murray rediscovers the game he had in his first few years in Pittsburgh, I'm not convinced he's an upgrade. Of course, Campbell comes with similar questions (is he the Campbell we saw in 2021? 2022? Somewhere in between?).
Other than Kuemper, there aren't great obvious options out there. They're all sort of in the "he can be really good in the right situation/circumstances" types, and that's not the best group to be plucking from. If Murray ends up being the cheapest (both in terms of cap and acquisition cost) and performs similarly, then maybe it's the right move - but, there's a lot of ifs and maybes. Unless Dubas really feels he can't land Kuemper or Murray is being brought in with double retention, little to no cost (or, even, some sort of asset included - though, with double retention, that would be unlikely) as a 1B/platoon/backup, I don't think there's urgency to get this done.
azzurri63 said:Mark my word another mistake. Dubas keeps trying to fix problems he created. Keeps trying to plug holes with spare parts no one else wants. Brutal.
Iafrate said:azzurri63 said:Mark my word another mistake. Dubas keeps trying to fix problems he created. Keeps trying to plug holes with spare parts no one else wants. Brutal.
Why, as a leafs fan, would you hope that this doesn?t work? Why do you choose negativity?
The leafs could have waited for free agency and struck out on all the goalies and be left with nothing. At least this way they have certainty.
And has been mentioned, the leafs had below average goaltending for almost half the season and still had a record number of wins and points.
Choose optimism. Be a freaking fan for once.
If in the end it doesn?t work out well whatever, life goes on.
azzurri63 said:Iafrate said:azzurri63 said:Mark my word another mistake. Dubas keeps trying to fix problems he created. Keeps trying to plug holes with spare parts no one else wants. Brutal.
Why, as a leafs fan, would you hope that this doesn?t work? Why do you choose negativity?
The leafs could have waited for free agency and struck out on all the goalies and be left with nothing. At least this way they have certainty.
And has been mentioned, the leafs had below average goaltending for almost half the season and still had a record number of wins and points.
Choose optimism. Be a freaking fan for once.
If in the end it doesn?t work out well whatever, life goes on.
Half the post are for it half are against. Does that mean negativity? It's a forum and everyone has their opinion. I personally don't think we accomplished sweet f all by getting rid of Mrazek and signing Murray. Hell maybe he bounces back. As a FAN I'd love to see it but Dubas' handling and overpayments I said it 2-3 years ago we would be struggling to fill out the roster. Our 4th line and other important pieces have been crap because he doesn't have the room to sign guys that can play an important role and maybe move someone down whether to the 4th line or bottom D. All players signed cheap are players that are pretty well done or other teams don't want.