Leafs Acquired Jonathan Bernier
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seahawk said:
Those numbers are just estimates from capgeek. It's 40% of Frattin's cap hit and 20% for Scrivens. It's just based on the $500k figure from some media members which also hasn't 100% been confirmed yet.
Bullfrog
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I like the deal. I really liked Frattin, and I really like Reimer, but I like what I've read about Bernier. They improved a position that is probably one of the hardest to improve. What's not to like about that?
I have total confidence in Reimer, but at most he'll play 60ish games. Why not have the player who plays the other 20ish (or more if he earns it) as good as you can get?
I have total confidence in Reimer, but at most he'll play 60ish games. Why not have the player who plays the other 20ish (or more if he earns it) as good as you can get?
seahawk said:
I've expressed concern over the cap ramifications of the deal, but it's not enough to make me not like the deal. Just looking at the cap hits coming our way directly, we're getting a young, potential starting goaltender for about $2mil ($500k retained, $1.5mil-ish for Bernier, maybe a little more). It's tough to complain about that.
Jolly good show chaps
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What's the situation with the second rounder? I.e. are there conditions relating to whether it is in 2014 or 2015 or is it a case of one of the teams choosing which year at a later date?
Jolly good show chaps said:
It's the Leafs choice.
BlueWhiteBlood
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
That's what I'm thinking also.
Kessel Run
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Don't like it. I think there were other areas that needed to be addressed first. A veteran backup for Reimer would have been ideal, he has shown that he can be the number 1.
Kin
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I think it's more likely that it's more or less what it was for the Leafs going into this season where Reimer is assumed to be the nominal #1 but he's going to have to earn his starts as opposed to them just being given to him.
And, really, I think that some people kind of miss the point about what a #1 goaltender is. Martin Brodeur wasn't a good goalie because the Devils guaranteed him 70+ starts a year, he was a good goalie because he was constantly better than his back-ups. Dominik Hasek wasn't a good goalie because nobody ever challenged him, he was a good goalie because he kept guys like Dwayne Roloson on the bench.
Highlander
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I hate this trade...we lost Frattin.... my favorite young player..hit everything that moved.. going to be great for LA..Scrivens is a non entity in this and we gave up a second.....Bernier better stand on his head for 5 years or this is a rip off
GhostofPotvin29
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Highlander said:
Why does he need to stand on his head for 5 years to justify trading a 3rd liner with at-best possibly 2nd line potential?
Seymore Pucks
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Exactly. Frattin has only been a star for the Marlies in the playoffs. Its not like he has turned the hockey world upside down with his play. To say he is the next Dustin Brown is like saying Bozak is the next Sundin. He might get to play next to Dustin Brown tops.AvroArrow said:
Kin
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Frank E said:
I think that's only true if you're the kind of person who believes that at some point the Leafs will be able to package 5 nickels for a quarter. None of what the Leafs dealt were ever going to be part of a package for a #1 centre or defenseman. Other than that, the pressing needs that the Leafs have are things like maybe a 3rd line centre or some depth on the blueline and those are things that can be addressed in free agency.
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'He?s the real deal," Kings goalie (coach) Bill Ranford told ESPN.com Sunday. "He?s really highly regarded by us. He?s not only a great goalie but he?s a great person. They?re going to love him there."
I can tell you that for GM Dean Lombardi and the rest of the Kings front office, this was a tough pill to swallow. They feel they?re trading away a future star, franchise goalie. But they had to. You can?t keep two star goalies in a cap system, not with the cap going down next season and the Kings needing to re-up Slava Voynov (done) and Rob Scuderi (not done yet) and other RFAs.
And there was a promise to keep. Lombardi, true to his word, told Bernier a year ago that he?d deal him either at the trade deadline or before the draft, a promise he reiterated at the player-exit meetings a few weeks ago, providing he could find a deal that made sense for the Kings.
But in the end, the Leafs get the best asset in the trade and the Kings know that all too well.
'He?s the real deal," Kings goalie (coach) Bill Ranford told ESPN.com Sunday. "He?s really highly regarded by us. He?s not only a great goalie but he?s a great person. They?re going to love him there."
I can tell you that for GM Dean Lombardi and the rest of the Kings front office, this was a tough pill to swallow. They feel they?re trading away a future star, franchise goalie. But they had to. You can?t keep two star goalies in a cap system, not with the cap going down next season and the Kings needing to re-up Slava Voynov (done) and Rob Scuderi (not done yet) and other RFAs.
And there was a promise to keep. Lombardi, true to his word, told Bernier a year ago that he?d deal him either at the trade deadline or before the draft, a promise he reiterated at the player-exit meetings a few weeks ago, providing he could find a deal that made sense for the Kings.
But in the end, the Leafs get the best asset in the trade and the Kings know that all too well.