Leafs hire Kyle Dubas as assistant GM, Loiselle and Poulin Dismissed

[GhostofPotvin29]

One of the best things I've heard from his interviews: "our team had the lowest number of fights in the league."

They also had one of the highest PIM's in the league.  Soooo...

They had the 2nd lowest PIM's in the league: http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/standings/show/ls_season/49/subtype/1

:-[ I stand corrected then.  Swear I read that in one of the articles on the day Dubas was hired.  I did work 16 hours that day so might be me.

I think he mentioned the 2nd lowest PIMs in his media availability in response to a question so probably just mis-heard/remembered it.  As a Greyhounds fan I'd say their discipline was a huge part of their success last season - and helped them have the #1 overall PK% in the league.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

If I remember correctly he said something like the team had the 2nd best PIM, which could have been interpreted either way.

 

[cw]

James Mirtle @mirtle  ?  Jul 23
Shanahan's next renovation will be the scouting department. No reason Leafs shouldn't have one of league's best.

All this talk about when they'll hire a replacement GM for Nonis. Maybe they already did in mid April and all they screwed up on was forgetting to adjust the job titles.

I'm not complaining. I don't mind Shanahan at all as a hockey personality and generally as an executive at this point though my jury hasn't even sat down to examine the testimony and evidence yet.

I'm just experiencing a bit of surprise at how hands on Shanahan appears to be in the decisions arguably a GM would "normally" make.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

If I remember correctly he said something like the team had the 2nd best PIM, which could have been interpreted either way.

Not really.

We all know 1st is the worst, 2nd is the best and 3rd is the place in the division the Leafs aspire to.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

James Mirtle @mirtle  ?  Jul 23
Shanahan's next renovation will be the scouting department. No reason Leafs shouldn't have one of league's best.

All this talk about when they'll hire a replacement GM for Nonis. Maybe they already did in mid April and all they screwed up on was forgetting to adjust the job titles.

I'm not complaining. I don't mind Shanahan at all as a hockey personality and generally as an executive at this point though my jury hasn't even sat down to examine the testimony and evidence yet.

I'm just experiencing a bit of surprise at how hands on Shanahan appears to be in the decisions arguably a GM would "normally" make.

Is that normally a GM's decision?  I can't really find any info one way or another.

 

[Corn Flake]

James Mirtle @mirtle  ?  Jul 23
Shanahan's next renovation will be the scouting department. No reason Leafs shouldn't have one of league's best.

All this talk about when they'll hire a replacement GM for Nonis. Maybe they already did in mid April and all they screwed up on was forgetting to adjust the job titles.

I'm not complaining. I don't mind Shanahan at all as a hockey personality and generally as an executive at this point though my jury hasn't even sat down to examine the testimony and evidence yet.

I'm just experiencing a bit of surprise at how hands on Shanahan appears to be in the decisions arguably a GM would "normally" make.

Is that normally a GM's decision?  I can't really find any info one way or another.

Normally, yes, but this structure is quite different and one that a number of teams seem to be evolving to.  Similar to Sakic in Colorado. He is basically making all decisions large and medium and leaves the bean counting to GM whats-his-name (Sherman).

I certainly have no problem in Shanny going in and evaluating everything on down to the ushers if that's what might improve things.  I"m sure he's doing this with Nonis involved, but Shanny clearly has final say.

 

[cw]

James Mirtle @mirtle  ?  Jul 23
Shanahan's next renovation will be the scouting department. No reason Leafs shouldn't have one of league's best.

All this talk about when they'll hire a replacement GM for Nonis. Maybe they already did in mid April and all they screwed up on was forgetting to adjust the job titles.

I'm not complaining. I don't mind Shanahan at all as a hockey personality and generally as an executive at this point though my jury hasn't even sat down to examine the testimony and evidence yet.

I'm just experiencing a bit of surprise at how hands on Shanahan appears to be in the decisions arguably a GM would "normally" make.

Is that normally a GM's decision?  I can't really find any info one way or another.

There's certainly no firm "rule" that says it's "normal". Teams do vary some in their management structure and have for as long as I can remember.

"Normally", my impression has been the GM handles such hiring. Commonly, the President has been more of a financial guy and/or a non-hockey executive - not a hockey guy.

That maybe shifting some with hirings like Joe Sakic (and Shanahan) in the position of President.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

James Mirtle @mirtle  ?  Jul 23
Shanahan's next renovation will be the scouting department. No reason Leafs shouldn't have one of league's best.

All this talk about when they'll hire a replacement GM for Nonis. Maybe they already did in mid April and all they screwed up on was forgetting to adjust the job titles.

I'm not complaining. I don't mind Shanahan at all as a hockey personality and generally as an executive at this point though my jury hasn't even sat down to examine the testimony and evidence yet.

I'm just experiencing a bit of surprise at how hands on Shanahan appears to be in the decisions arguably a GM would "normally" make.

Is that normally a GM's decision?  I can't really find any info one way or another.

There's certainly no firm "rule" that says it's "normal". Teams do vary some in their management structure and have for as long as I can remember.

"Normally", my impression has been the GM handles such hiring. Commonly, the President has been more of a financial guy and/or a non-hockey executive - not a hockey guy.

That maybe shifting some with hirings like Joe Sakic (and Shanahan) in the position of President.

Leiweke said this at the time so it's not really too surprising to me:

?We?re going to give him full authority,? said Leiweke. ?Everybody on the hockey side, everybody on the business side for the Toronto Maple Leafs reports in to Brendan Shanahan. He?s the boss.?

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/04/14/brendan-shanahan-to-have-full-authority-as-toronto-maple-leafs-president-alternate-governor/

 

[Kin]

There's certainly no firm "rule" that says it's "normal". Teams do vary some in their management structure and have for as long as I can remember.

"Normally", my impression has been the GM handles such hiring. Commonly, the President has been more of a financial guy and/or a non-hockey executive - not a hockey guy.

That maybe shifting some with hirings like Joe Sakic (and Shanahan) in the position of President.

We talked a little bit about this when Shanahan got hired but the information we got did leave a fairly murky picture of what the organizational structure was going to be. Looking at what's gone on since the hiring it does sort of look like Shanahan is more or less running the team but, I suppose, leaving the player evaluation side of it to Nonis?

What Leiweke said at the time might have worked in a press conference but it didn't really clear up the ins and outs of what, I think, we as fans like to know. Who made the decision to draft Nylander? Who made the decision to offer Bolland what they did and stop the bidding at a certain amount? Saying Shanahan is "the boss" doesn't really answer that.

 

[freer]

There's certainly no firm "rule" that says it's "normal". Teams do vary some in their management structure and have for as long as I can remember.

"Normally", my impression has been the GM handles such hiring. Commonly, the President has been more of a financial guy and/or a non-hockey executive - not a hockey guy.

That maybe shifting some with hirings like Joe Sakic (and Shanahan) in the position of President.

We talked a little bit about this when Shanahan got hired but the information we got did leave a fairly murky picture of what the organizational structure was going to be. Looking at what's gone on since the hiring it does sort of look like Shanahan is more or less running the team but, I suppose, leaving the player evaluation side of it to Nonis?

What Leiweke said at the time might have worked in a press conference but it didn't really clear up the ins and outs of what, I think, we as fans like to know. Who made the decision to draft Nylander? Who made the decision to offer Bolland what they did and stop the bidding at a certain amount? Saying Shanahan is "the boss" doesn't really answer that.

I am glad they made the decisions they did not both players.

 

[princedpw]

One of the best things I've heard from his interviews: "our team had the lowest number of fights in the league."

They also had one of the highest PIM's in the league.  Soooo...

They had the 2nd lowest PIM's in the league: http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/standings/show/ls_season/49/subtype/1

:-[ I stand corrected then.  Swear I read that in one of the articles on the day Dubas was hired.  I did work 16 hours that day so might be me.

I think he mentioned the 2nd lowest PIMs in his media availability in response to a question so probably just mis-heard/remembered it.  As a Greyhounds fan I'd say their discipline was a huge part of their success last season - and helped them have the #1 overall PK% in the league.

I'd prefer to know the number of power plays vs. penalty kills are rather than the total number of penalty minutes... It is not too hard for one team to get a lot of coincidental 5-minute majors but few non-coincidental minors (or majors).  It is the non-coincidental ones that lead to the goals for or against.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

One of the best things I've heard from his interviews: "our team had the lowest number of fights in the league."

They also had one of the highest PIM's in the league.  Soooo...

They had the 2nd lowest PIM's in the league: http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/standings/show/ls_season/49/subtype/1

:-[ I stand corrected then.  Swear I read that in one of the articles on the day Dubas was hired.  I did work 16 hours that day so might be me.

I think he mentioned the 2nd lowest PIMs in his media availability in response to a question so probably just mis-heard/remembered it.  As a Greyhounds fan I'd say their discipline was a huge part of their success last season - and helped them have the #1 overall PK% in the league.

I'd prefer to know the number of power plays vs. penalty kills are rather than the total number of penalty minutes... It is not too hard for one team to get a lot of coincidental 5-minute majors but few non-coincidental minors (or majors).  It is the non-coincidental ones that lead to the goals for or against.

By times shorthanded they were 3rd fewest in the league.  They drew the 5th most PP's.

 

[Kin]

I am glad they made the decisions they did not both players.

To the extent that I know prospects I'm fine with the Nylander choice. Regarding Bolland I'm happy they didn't decide to trump all offers for him but if reports are true and they offered him 5/25 and he just took the bigger offer, I'd like to know who decided to make that offer regardless.

 

[freer]

I am glad they made the decisions they did not both players.

To the extent that I know prospects I'm fine with the Nylander choice. Regarding Bolland I'm happy they didn't decide to trump all offers for him but if reports are true and they offered him 5/25 and he just took the bigger offer, I'd like to know who decided to make that offer regardless.

Well I am glad he went for the larger offer. That seems ridiculous amount for a third line player

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Leafs offer was 5 x $4.75M per Dreger and confirmed by Bolland's agent.

 

[freer]

Leafs offer was 5 x $4.75M per Dreger and confirmed by Bolland's agent.

IMO still too high

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Leafs offer was 5 x $4.75M per Dreger and confirmed by Bolland's agent.

IMO still too high

Yep, Leafs signed something like 5 players now for the combined annual salary Florida gave him.

 

[Optimus Reimer]

I just hope that the Leafs puck possession time will increase, especially in the other team's zone, instead of the usual one player skates down the ice, gets one shot on goal or causes a turnover, then the other team comes back and spends enough time in the Leafs zone to pitch a tent (and not one of those automatic pop-up tents either).  I would also like to see the Leafs cycle the puck more, instead of watching the other team doing it.

And please, for the love of God, please create break-out plays that helps the Leafs get out of their zone that transitions into offence for the Leafs.  They spent way too much time hemmed in their own zone because they were not able to get out of their zone. 

 

[Kin]

Well I am glad he went for the larger offer. That seems ridiculous amount for a third line player

Sure, though again, it doesn't answer the question.

 

[freer]

Well I am glad he went for the larger offer. That seems ridiculous amount for a third line player

Sure, though again, it doesn't answer the question.

I will assume that Nonis made the offer being the GM.