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Leafs Injury Updates

Erndog said:
Fanatic said:
Floyd said:
Army is what now 3/4 weeks away?
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I heard this morning on The Fan that Army would start on ice workouts this week and possibly be back by the end of next week.

I also heard that Gunnar and Steckel will be good to go on Wednesday night.
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So I would guess Steckal and Gunnar in over Rosehill and Aulie.  Those make sense.

What happens when Army gets back?  And Brown as well?  Ah who am I kidding, we'll have another injury by then.  No sense worrying about it.
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As the old saying goes "It's a nice problem to have..."
 
Speaking of Armstrong, what the hell?  I never even hear an update about him -- what's his injury anyway?
 
Saint Nik said:
Heroic Shrimp said:
Nobody's likely to ask the question, but I'd love to know how much less (if at all) some guys like Redden or Finger would be willing to accept if they could go back and rewrite their deals, if it assured them they would have remained in the NHL.
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I don't know. I think I'd have to see it happen to a player who'd be a clear cut NHL'er before I think you'd get a real answer there. Redden's last stretch of NHL time was where he scored 14 points in 75 games and, if reports are to be believed, was hardly a defensive stalwart. Likewise, Jeff Finger was a guy who legitimately played himself out of the lineup. He was a 6/7 guy at his best on a team without a top notch defensive group.

Both guys might get teams willing to take a flyer on them for very little money but neither guy would be a sure thing to find a spot.
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Fair enough, but that's not really what I meant.  I'm certainly well aware of Redden's sharp downfall, and Finger's less dramatic one, and certainly it doesn't in the least have to be money as the sole factor, or even a significant factor, in their demotions.  Of course, it's entirely speculative as to how much or whether a fat undeserved contract causes or has caused complacency of play and/or wilting under the pressure of a big contract in a big market.  Regardless, I'm just speculating how much money (if any at all) some players would be willing to give up if it "bought" their way back into the NHL, assuming for the sake of argument that they were still NHL caliber players.  I'm not really arguing either way as to whether those guys and others like them are NHL caliber or not at this stage.
 
I followed up on Redden and though it's not an issue above, an a FYI, I think he could still play in the NHL. He's been fit, skating well, and his AHL team's best player through a few stretches last year including their playoff. He's also had a pretty good attitude, helping the kids develop.

The Rangers didn't invite him to camp - as I interpret it, not so much because he couldn't play but because his contract is so high, he'll never be able to be recalled to play with the cap constrained Rangers.

Now that might be wrong as when I watched Souray in the AHL last year, I thought he was so terribly slow that he couldn't make it back. He's certainly proved otherwise this season.
 
Heroic Shrimp said:
Saint Nik said:
Heroic Shrimp said:
Nobody's likely to ask the question, but I'd love to know how much less (if at all) some guys like Redden or Finger would be willing to accept if they could go back and rewrite their deals, if it assured them they would have remained in the NHL.
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I don't know. I think I'd have to see it happen to a player who'd be a clear cut NHL'er before I think you'd get a real answer there. Redden's last stretch of NHL time was where he scored 14 points in 75 games and, if reports are to be believed, was hardly a defensive stalwart. Likewise, Jeff Finger was a guy who legitimately played himself out of the lineup. He was a 6/7 guy at his best on a team without a top notch defensive group.

Both guys might get teams willing to take a flyer on them for very little money but neither guy would be a sure thing to find a spot.
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Fair enough, but that's not really what I meant.  I'm certainly well aware of Redden's sharp downfall, and Finger's less dramatic one, and certainly it doesn't in the least have to be money as the sole factor, or even a significant factor, in their demotions.  Of course, it's entirely speculative as to how much or whether a fat undeserved contract causes or has caused complacency of play and/or wilting under the pressure of a big contract in a big market.  Regardless, I'm just speculating how much money (if any at all) some players would be willing to give up if it "bought" their way back into the NHL, assuming for the sake of argument that they were still NHL caliber players.  I'm not really arguing either way as to whether those guys and others like them are NHL caliber or not at this stage.
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Shouldn't the GMs be held accountable?  It is them that were willing to offer ridiculous contracts to the players in the first place.  It was Fletcher who offered Finger that ridiculous contract just because he thought another GM might offer Finger the same or more money.  And looking at Kovalchuck, to give up what the Devils did to trade for him, then have to pay him what he is getting, that was way too much for one player. 
 
Optimus Reimer said:
Heroic Shrimp said:
Saint Nik said:
Heroic Shrimp said:
Nobody's likely to ask the question, but I'd love to know how much less (if at all) some guys like Redden or Finger would be willing to accept if they could go back and rewrite their deals, if it assured them they would have remained in the NHL.
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I don't know. I think I'd have to see it happen to a player who'd be a clear cut NHL'er before I think you'd get a real answer there. Redden's last stretch of NHL time was where he scored 14 points in 75 games and, if reports are to be believed, was hardly a defensive stalwart. Likewise, Jeff Finger was a guy who legitimately played himself out of the lineup. He was a 6/7 guy at his best on a team without a top notch defensive group.

Both guys might get teams willing to take a flyer on them for very little money but neither guy would be a sure thing to find a spot.
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Fair enough, but that's not really what I meant.  I'm certainly well aware of Redden's sharp downfall, and Finger's less dramatic one, and certainly it doesn't in the least have to be money as the sole factor, or even a significant factor, in their demotions.  Of course, it's entirely speculative as to how much or whether a fat undeserved contract causes or has caused complacency of play and/or wilting under the pressure of a big contract in a big market.  Regardless, I'm just speculating how much money (if any at all) some players would be willing to give up if it "bought" their way back into the NHL, assuming for the sake of argument that they were still NHL caliber players.  I'm not really arguing either way as to whether those guys and others like them are NHL caliber or not at this stage.
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Shouldn't the GMs be held accountable?  It is them that were willing to offer ridiculous contracts to the players in the first place.  It was Fletcher who offered Finger that ridiculous contract just because he thought another GM might offer Finger the same or more money.  And looking at Kovalchuck, to give up what the Devils did to trade for him, then have to pay him what he is getting, that was way too much for one player.
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It's irrelevant to the fairly rhetorical question I was asking, but sure, GMs should be held accountable for the contracts they offer.  I dont blame any player for taking any ludicrous sums they're offered.
 
Deebo said:
According to Hendricks Reimer should be backing up Gustavsson on Saturday night.
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According to Zee Gustavsson should be backing up Reimer on Saturday night.
 
Heroic Shrimp said:
  I'm not really arguing either way as to whether those guys and others like them are NHL caliber or not at this stage.
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No, I got that. I was really agreeing with you that it's an interesting question. I was just saying that to really get at the heart of it you'd have to ask a guy who was legitimately being kept down for strictly financial reasons. Problem is those guys tend to be few and far between and their situations get resolved.

I do wonder though if you'd get a different answer from a guy like Redden who'd already made a ton of money in the league than from Finger who signed his one big contract.
 
HennyTweetsPaul Hendrick
Great to see colby armstrong on skates working hard with strength coach anthony belza this morning.
 
Recap (I will likely need some help here and/or miss someone):

Reimer - ready to return as back up this weekend
Komisarek - broken arm - out 6 - 8 weeks
Lombardi - separated shoulder - not sure on return
Gunnar - could be back tonight
Steckel - could be back tonight
Brown - groin - indefinite
Armstrong - starting on ice workouts

Is that about it?
 
Maybe I'm missing something obvious but isn't bringing Reimer back as the back-up kind of pointless? I mean I get that he'd come back and get to take warm-ups and everything but aren't you risking the kind of unfortunate situation where Reimer's first action back is in a game where the team is getting blown off the ice and he has to mop up? That seems less than optimal. If he's healthy enough to be back in uniform why wouldn't you give him the start?
 
Saint Nik said:
Maybe I'm missing something obvious but isn't bringing Reimer back as the back-up kind of pointless? I mean I get that he'd come back and get to take warm-ups and everything but aren't you risking the kind of unfortunate situation where Reimer's first action back is in a game where the team is getting blown off the ice and he has to mop up? That seems less than optimal. If he's healthy enough to be back in uniform why wouldn't you give him the start?
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I was thinking the same thing.  I will take it to mean he is not 100%.  So...why chance him backing up?  Or he is good to go and they just want thim to soak up the atmosphere of being on the bench?!
 
Saint Nik said:
Maybe I'm missing something obvious but isn't bringing Reimer back as the back-up kind of pointless? I mean I get that he'd come back and get to take warm-ups and everything but aren't you risking the kind of unfortunate situation where Reimer's first action back is in a game where the team is getting blown off the ice and he has to mop up? That seems less than optimal. If he's healthy enough to be back in uniform why wouldn't you give him the start?
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Actually, the thing I'd worry about is if Gus had to be pulled and Reimer comes in cold and blows a groin trying for a big save.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Saint Nik said:
Maybe I'm missing something obvious but isn't bringing Reimer back as the back-up kind of pointless? I mean I get that he'd come back and get to take warm-ups and everything but aren't you risking the kind of unfortunate situation where Reimer's first action back is in a game where the team is getting blown off the ice and he has to mop up? That seems less than optimal. If he's healthy enough to be back in uniform why wouldn't you give him the start?
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Actually, the thing I'd worry about is if Gus had to be pulled and Reimer comes in cold and blows a groin trying for a big save.
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I think as hot as Gus has been you have to go with him, and work Riemer in slow.
 
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