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Leafs @ Panthers - Dec. 28th, 7:00pm - SN, TSN 1050

McGarnagle said:
Is there a single team in the league, or even historically ever, that hasn't deployed role players? Are all of them wrong?
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That's a fallacious argument. Just because everyone has always made the same mistake doesn't mean it's not a mistake.

For the record, I'm not saying that employing role players is necessarily a mistake. Just the fact that they've always been used doesn't prove that it's not.
 
bustaheims said:
McGarnagle said:
Is there a single team in the league, or even historically ever, that hasn't deployed role players? Are all of them wrong?
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That's a fallacious argument. Just because everyone has always made the same mistake doesn't mean it's not a mistake.

For the record, I'm not saying that employing role players is necessarily a mistake. Just the fact that they've always been used doesn't prove that it's not.
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Do Stanley Cup winners employing them make it a strong argument to do so?
 
bustaheims said:
That's a fallacious argument. Just because everyone has always made the same mistake doesn't mean it's not a mistake.

For the record, I'm not saying that employing role players is necessarily a mistake. Just the fact that they've always been used doesn't prove that it's not.
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My response isn't to any post you made, that's why I quoted Herman, and I'm not even making an argument. I'm just curious on the source of his certainty that there are no skillsets apart from those that Griffith brings that could add incremental value in a team dynamic. Perhaps Herman is right! But it is surprising that in 110 years of professional hockey, this hasn't been tried.
 
Frank E said:
Do Stanley Cup winners employing them make it a strong argument to do so?
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No. It still goes back to the "if everyone is making the same mistake, that doesn't mean it's not a mistake" thing. It just means, since everyone is doing it, you're not putting yourself at a disadvantage by doing so (especially if your role players offer more in terms of on-ice ability than other teams'). You might, however, not be maximizing your potential.
 
bustaheims said:
Frank E said:
Do Stanley Cup winners employing them make it a strong argument to do so?
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No. It still goes back to the "if everyone is making the same mistake, that doesn't mean it's not a mistake" thing. It just means, since everyone is doing it, you're not putting yourself at a disadvantage by doing so (especially if your role players offer more in terms of on-ice ability than other teams'). You might, however, not be maximizing your potential.
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You keep saying everyone.

Not everyone, I'm talking about the best team in the league. 
 
There's a Youtube link on Reddit from 7:00-7:10.

I'll have it for the rest of the night. I like the Youtube stream, it streams really smoothly with no chance of popups and it's always the Sportsnet feed.
 
In a desperate bid to turn things around the Florida Panthers have fashioned Jaromir Jagr with a series of cybernetic implants for tonight's game.
 
Frank E said:
You keep saying everyone.

Not everyone, I'm talking about the best team in the league.
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They're part of everyone. You can't discount the rest of the league if they're doing the same thing. The Stanley Cup winning team making similar decisions to every other team does nothing to distinguish that decision. Someone wins the Cup every season. Just because the team does has the same attitude towards role players as every other team doesn't mean it's not a mistake. Just because they won the Cup doesn't mean they wouldn't have been a better team without role players.

EDIT: To put it simply, the Cup winning team using role players adds just as much weight to the argument as the 30th place team using them. They're both trying the same thing. The fact that one was successful doesn't mean it was the right thing to try.
 
Is there term for the opposite of something growing on you? Because the Panthers logo is doing that for me. The first time I saw it I thought it was kind of neat but the more and more I see it the less it looks like a hockey logo.

You know how sometimes they do those "Fans submit uniform designs" things and they select five they like and five that are noteworthy for being weird? It kind of looks like they went with one of the weird ones,
 
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