Frank E said:Is Lehtonen playing the right side in Finland right now?
I believe he's playing on the left. Dubas said yesterday they expect Dermott to be the one to slide to the right side as well.
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Frank E said:Is Lehtonen playing the right side in Finland right now?
CarltonTheBear said:Frank E said:Is Lehtonen playing the right side in Finland right now?
I believe he's playing on the left. Dubas said yesterday they expect Dermott to be the one to slide to the right side as well.
Frank E said:Good point.
I read that yesterday, and I'm not sure I'm convinced that Dermott can do that job well enough.
I have to think that having Dermott over there would be worst case scenario.
CarltonTheBear said:Frank E said:Good point.
I read that yesterday, and I'm not sure I'm convinced that Dermott can do that job well enough.
I have to think that having Dermott over there would be worst case scenario.
I'm not the biggest Dermott fan when it comes to his potential in becoming a top-4 defender but as a bottom pairing guy he should do very well regardless of the side he's playing on. And at like $1-1.25mil I'm not sure you're finding someone much better. I mean Borowiecki signed for $2mil.
Frank E said:CarltonTheBear said:Frank E said:Good point.
I read that yesterday, and I'm not sure I'm convinced that Dermott can do that job well enough.
I have to think that having Dermott over there would be worst case scenario.
I'm not the biggest Dermott fan when it comes to his potential in becoming a top-4 defender but as a bottom pairing guy he should do very well regardless of the side he's playing on. And at like $1-1.25mil I'm not sure you're finding someone much better. I mean Borowiecki signed for $2mil.
I'm hoping Liljegren has a camp.
I like Dermott's upside but I'm disappointed at his progress. I thought he'd be better by now but I guess the injury and him missing camp really messed up his year. I think it's too early to give up on him so we'll see how it goes this year. I don't see him getting over 1.5 per for 2 years.CarltonTheBear said:Frank E said:Good point.
I read that yesterday, and I'm not sure I'm convinced that Dermott can do that job well enough.
I have to think that having Dermott over there would be worst case scenario.
I'm not the biggest Dermott fan when it comes to his potential in becoming a top-4 defender but as a bottom pairing guy he should do very well regardless of the side he's playing on. And at like $1-1.25mil I'm not sure you're finding someone much better. I mean Borowiecki signed for $2mil.
Brodie, meanwhile, [played right defense] for the bulk of his time in Calgary, often on a first pairing with Mark Giordano. With Brodie at his side two seasons ago, Giordano, at 35, won his first Norris Trophy. He?d never finished higher than sixth before. And while Giordano was the driving force in the pair, Brodie?s quiet reliability allowed him to shine in much the same way that Hainsey (albeit to a lesser degree) helped Rielly the year he finished fifth in Norris voting (the same year Giordano won it).
Unlike Hainsey, who sunk when Rielly wasn?t out there, Brodie got along just fine without Giordano around.
Over about 472 minutes at five-on-five last year, the Flames had a 52 percent expected-goals clip when Brodie was on the ice without Giordano. According to PuckIQ, Calgary had about 53 percent possession in those instances (84 minutes) when Brodie faced ?elite? competition without Giordano (albeit with generous zone starts).
Nik said:Well, I'm glad advanced metrics cracked the unsolvable riddle of "Does the guy who scored 17 goals over three years shoot a lot?"
herman said:Nik said:Well, I'm glad advanced metrics cracked the unsolvable riddle of "Does the guy who scored 17 goals over three years shoot a lot?"
That could very well be a matter of incompetence rather than volume ;D
Nik said:herman said:Nik said:Well, I'm glad advanced metrics cracked the unsolvable riddle of "Does the guy who scored 17 goals over three years shoot a lot?"
That could very well be a matter of incompetence rather than volume ;D
True. Someone should really start keeping track of how many shots these guys take.
herman said:Shots doesn't count blocks/misses though
Nik said:herman said:Shots doesn't count blocks/misses though
For reals, I'd be interested in just to what extent the difference looks like between a list of "shots" and "shots + blocks/misses" for players.
Oooh, do Phaneuf!!CarltonTheBear said:Nik said:herman said:Shots doesn't count blocks/misses though
For reals, I'd be interested in just to what extent the difference looks like between a list of "shots" and "shots + blocks/misses" for players.
Decided to test this quickly with one player, Barrie, because he seems to be an example of a player who might show a big gap in those stats. Among defenders who played at least 800 5-on-5 minutes last season Barrie ranked 12th in shots/60 and 5th in shots+blocks/misses/60.
Then since the window was open I noticed Rielly was 21st in shots/60 and 9th in shots+blocks/missed/60.
Individual 5v5 per 60 | Barrie | Brodie | Rielly | Muzzin | Holl | Dermott | ||||||
Attempts | 14.32 (5th) | 7.73 (129th) | 13.54 (9th) | 11.18 (49th) | 9.81 (78th) | 7.71 (130th) | ||||||
Shots on goal | 6.67 (12th) | 2.91 (138th) | 6.29 (21st) | 5.77 (27th) | 4.6 (79th) | 4.2 (93rd) | ||||||
xG | 0.24 (27th) | 0.12 (135th) | 0.24 (29th) | 0.21 (46th) | 0.21 (54th) | 0.14 (110th) | ||||||
Goals | 0.19 (75th) | 0.16 (90th) | 0.14 (94th) | 0.37 (16th) | 0.06 (124th) | 0.28 (30th) | ||||||
Individual 5v5 Counts | Barrie | Brodie | Rielly | Muzzin | Holl | Dermott | ||||||
Attempts | 303 | 141 | 198 | 180 | 177 | 112 | ||||||
Shots on goal | 141 | 53 | 92 | 93 | 83 | 61 | ||||||
xG | 5.04 | 2.11 | 3.55 | 3.34 | 1.2 | 2.1 | ||||||
Goals | 4 | 3 | 2 | 6 | 1 | 4 | ||||||
Individual Sh% | Barrie | Brodie | Rielly | Muzzin | Holl | Dermott | ||||||
Shots per attempt | 46.53% | 37.59% | 46.46% | 51.67% | 46.89% | 54.46% | ||||||
Goals per attempt | 1.32% | 2.13% | 1.01% | 3.33% | 0.56% | 3.57% | ||||||
Goals per shot (sh%) | 2.84% | 5.66% | 2.17% | 6.45% | 1.20% | 6.56% |