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Leafs sign TJ Brodie [4 years, 5M AAV]

Frank E said:
Is Lehtonen playing the right side in Finland right now?

I believe he's playing on the left. Dubas said yesterday they expect Dermott to be the one to slide to the right side as well.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Frank E said:
Is Lehtonen playing the right side in Finland right now?

I believe he's playing on the left. Dubas said yesterday they expect Dermott to be the one to slide to the right side as well.

Good point.

I read that yesterday, and I'm not sure I'm convinced that Dermott can do that job well enough.

I have to think that having Dermott over there would be worst case scenario.
 
Frank E said:
Good point.

I read that yesterday, and I'm not sure I'm convinced that Dermott can do that job well enough.

I have to think that having Dermott over there would be worst case scenario.

I'm not the biggest Dermott fan when it comes to his potential in becoming a top-4 defender but as a bottom pairing guy he should do very well regardless of the side he's playing on. And at like $1-1.25mil I'm not sure you're finding someone much better. I mean Borowiecki signed for $2mil.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Frank E said:
Good point.

I read that yesterday, and I'm not sure I'm convinced that Dermott can do that job well enough.

I have to think that having Dermott over there would be worst case scenario.

I'm not the biggest Dermott fan when it comes to his potential in becoming a top-4 defender but as a bottom pairing guy he should do very well regardless of the side he's playing on. And at like $1-1.25mil I'm not sure you're finding someone much better. I mean Borowiecki signed for $2mil.

I'm hoping Liljegren has a camp. 
 
Frank E said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Frank E said:
Good point.

I read that yesterday, and I'm not sure I'm convinced that Dermott can do that job well enough.

I have to think that having Dermott over there would be worst case scenario.

I'm not the biggest Dermott fan when it comes to his potential in becoming a top-4 defender but as a bottom pairing guy he should do very well regardless of the side he's playing on. And at like $1-1.25mil I'm not sure you're finding someone much better. I mean Borowiecki signed for $2mil.

I'm hoping Liljegren has a camp.

I?m hoping Lehtonen comes to camp even better than advertised and that Sandin finds an even higher level of play than last season. If TJ fits in to this group without missing a beat our D should be much improved.

I really want to believe not pursuing Pietrangelo with everything Dubas could throw at him was the right move. I hope I?m proved wrong in believing a vital piece of the puzzle Was within our grasp but we let it slip away.  >:(

Brodie does look like a fine addition . Just hope these pickups move the needle enough .
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Frank E said:
Good point.

I read that yesterday, and I'm not sure I'm convinced that Dermott can do that job well enough.

I have to think that having Dermott over there would be worst case scenario.

I'm not the biggest Dermott fan when it comes to his potential in becoming a top-4 defender but as a bottom pairing guy he should do very well regardless of the side he's playing on. And at like $1-1.25mil I'm not sure you're finding someone much better. I mean Borowiecki signed for $2mil.
I like Dermott's upside but I'm disappointed at his progress. I thought he'd be better by now but I guess the injury and him missing camp really messed up his year. I think it's too early to give up on him so we'll see how it goes this year. I don't see him getting over 1.5 per for 2 years.
 
I think Pietrangelo was a bad play 
in these cap times. No cap, buy him and laugh.. too much of Tavares downside on his deal, too expensive in his declining years.  My major gripe with this team is not with Nylander (no gripe) or Marner (although we pay him 2 Mill too much), but I think the JT deal will hold us back a lot in the coming years.  Great player but not at the rate or the term.
 
https://theathletic.com/2128813/2020/10/12/maple-leafs-signing-of-t-j-brodie-will-bolster-defence/
Brodie, meanwhile, [played right defense] for the bulk of his time in Calgary, often on a first pairing with Mark Giordano. With Brodie at his side two seasons ago, Giordano, at 35, won his first Norris Trophy. He?d never finished higher than sixth before. And while Giordano was the driving force in the pair, Brodie?s quiet reliability allowed him to shine in much the same way that Hainsey (albeit to a lesser degree) helped Rielly the year he finished fifth in Norris voting (the same year Giordano won it).

Unlike Hainsey, who sunk when Rielly wasn?t out there, Brodie got along just fine without Giordano around.

Over about 472 minutes at five-on-five last year, the Flames had a 52 percent expected-goals clip when Brodie was on the ice without Giordano. According to PuckIQ, Calgary had about 53 percent possession in those instances (84 minutes) when Brodie faced ?elite? competition without Giordano (albeit with generous zone starts).
 
Like I said before, Brodie might not be the Norris-type defender we all wanted but he might help push Rielly back into the conversation.
 
https://twitter.com/katyaknappe/status/1315705055866126336
Translation: Brodie prefers to pass to forwards instead of taking long shots himself
 
Well, I'm glad advanced metrics cracked the unsolvable riddle of "Does the guy who scored 17 goals over three years shoot a lot?"
 
Nik said:
Well, I'm glad advanced metrics cracked the unsolvable riddle of "Does the guy who scored 17 goals over three years shoot a lot?"

That could very well be a matter of incompetence rather than volume  ;D
 
herman said:
Nik said:
Well, I'm glad advanced metrics cracked the unsolvable riddle of "Does the guy who scored 17 goals over three years shoot a lot?"

That could very well be a matter of incompetence rather than volume  ;D

True. Someone should really start keeping track of how many shots these guys take.
 
Nik said:
herman said:
Nik said:
Well, I'm glad advanced metrics cracked the unsolvable riddle of "Does the guy who scored 17 goals over three years shoot a lot?"

That could very well be a matter of incompetence rather than volume  ;D

True. Someone should really start keeping track of how many shots these guys take.

Shots doesn't count blocks/misses though
 
herman said:
Shots doesn't count blocks/misses though

For reals, I'd be interested in just to what extent the difference looks like between a list of "shots" and "shots + blocks/misses" for players.
 
Nik said:
herman said:
Shots doesn't count blocks/misses though

For reals, I'd be interested in just to what extent the difference looks like between a list of "shots" and "shots + blocks/misses" for players.

Decided to test this quickly with one player, Barrie, because he seems to be an example of a player who might show a big gap in those stats. Among defenders who played at least 800 5-on-5 minutes last season Barrie ranked 12th in shots/60 and 5th in shots+blocks/misses/60.

Then since the window was open I noticed Rielly was 21st in shots/60 and 9th in shots+blocks/missed/60.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Nik said:
herman said:
Shots doesn't count blocks/misses though

For reals, I'd be interested in just to what extent the difference looks like between a list of "shots" and "shots + blocks/misses" for players.

Decided to test this quickly with one player, Barrie, because he seems to be an example of a player who might show a big gap in those stats. Among defenders who played at least 800 5-on-5 minutes last season Barrie ranked 12th in shots/60 and 5th in shots+blocks/misses/60.

Then since the window was open I noticed Rielly was 21st in shots/60 and 9th in shots+blocks/missed/60.
Oooh, do Phaneuf!!
 
2019-2020, so shortened season numbers. Ranks using the 800-min minimum at 5v5 rates defensemen only.
There are ties, and I can't be bothered to parse the tie tiers as single ranks. Just going by whatever Natural Stat Trick tie-breaks with in the sorts.

Individual 5v5 per 60BarrieBrodieRiellyMuzzinHollDermott
Attempts14.32 (5th)7.73 (129th)13.54 (9th)11.18 (49th)9.81 (78th)7.71 (130th)
Shots on goal6.67 (12th)2.91 (138th)6.29 (21st)5.77 (27th)4.6 (79th)4.2 (93rd)
xG0.24 (27th)0.12 (135th)0.24 (29th)0.21 (46th)0.21 (54th)0.14 (110th)
Goals0.19 (75th)0.16 (90th)0.14 (94th)0.37 (16th)0.06 (124th)0.28 (30th)
Individual 5v5 CountsBarrieBrodieRiellyMuzzinHollDermott
Attempts303141198180177112
Shots on goal1415392938361
xG5.042.113.553.341.22.1
Goals432614
Individual Sh%BarrieBrodieRiellyMuzzinHollDermott
Shots per attempt46.53%37.59%46.46%51.67%46.89%54.46%
Goals per attempt1.32%2.13%1.01%3.33%0.56%3.57%
Goals per shot (sh%)2.84%5.66%2.17%6.45%1.20%6.56%

I don't know where I could find an easy dataset to do this, but I'd like to see the delta in chances/shots for Barrie's forwards with and without him.
 
Wonder why Dom's model doesn't look at him very favourably. He looks fine but basically nothing more than a reliable 4 guy. Wonder if he just had a bit of a down year last year.
 

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