Leafs trade Kadri+ to Colorado for Barrie+

[ZBBM]

Whoa there, Mr. Sangfroid.  I hope it's that easy but at least as of now Muzzin brings some traits to the D that no one else does.  I haven't seen Barrie play a minute yet but if the choice is between keeping him or Muzzin then I'd lean Muzzin, barring an auspicious audition by Sandin that shows he really can replace Muzz.

I debated internally the same thing. Muzzin brings balance to our D group.
The downside is his age. I don't want to spend a big UFA extension on a defensive Stanley Cup champion at 30+ years old who already plays a rough and tumble style on the left side.

On the flip side, the last time the Leafs had a right shot defenseman who could sit reasonably comfortably at the top of the depth chart was... Bryan McCabe. This is why Lou pulled the trigger on Zaitsev for term, because RD are so hard to find. Unfortunately, Zaitsev didn't work out the way we were using him here. Barrie, on the other hand, is Rielly on the other side of the ice and has played those top minutes. We have an opportunity to extend him let's say 6x7M in January and still be getting a lot of his good years left and give our weaker side more time to grow (or find new blood). He is already well aware that this team fits his playstyle, which shouldn't wear out as easily.

Those are good points but they don't really answer mine.  Call me Z B-B McTroglodyte but I firmly believe you need at least one "rough & tumble" (thanks for that phrase, I like it) d-man to win in the playoffs.

It's obvious to me, reflecting on this trade in the calm, cool light of the following morning, that Dubas blew it again.  He should have traded Kadri to STL for Parayko.  : : : : : :

 

[ZBBM]

Robert Svehla was our last top pairing RHD (and he ruled).

Man was that ever a good trade.  Yusky was great.  We trade him for a year of Svehla who was awesome too.

All those guys were great.  Almost as great as DANIIL BOMBMASTER MARKOV

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Robert Svehla was our last top pairing RHD (and he ruled).

Man was that ever a good trade.  Yusky was great.  We trade him for a year of Svehla who was awesome too.

I remember how pissed Leafs fans were for the team trading Yusky, but yeah Svehla quickly won us over.

 

[mr grieves]

Not sure why people keep bringing up the suspensions as the reason for the trade... actually I do know why: easy narrative.

Kadri was the best trade chit we could afford to move on from under the right circumstances for an RD (thanks to Kerfoot). He?s 30 at great cap value and has scored 30 goals before. Trading Nylander is asinine. Kapanen or Johnsson are individually not enough for anything worthwhile. This was simply the cost of doing the business of trading from strength to shore up a weakness.

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1145846736415596545

They can spin it all they want to but you know the players and management were pissed off at Kadri for that suspension. I know I'd be and while he wasn't the main reason they lost, he contributed in a way he shouldn't have. So while he was a good trade chip, his suspensions sure made it easier to let him go.

At the risk of sounding Nik-ish: That it makes letting him go easier is different from the suspensions being a significant factor in the trade. Other things that made it easier to let him go: his age/peak, his cost relative to his place on the depth chart, the acquisition is cheap options for the bottom-6 centers.

I only point it out because I think easy narratives obscure the main one: Dubas moved all the 24+ trade chips he had, which puts his offseason on the far end of conservative-to-aggressive spectrum. Bold summer for Kyle. And, given the state of the Barrie contract and Ceci's obviously being a stop-gap, he's not overly worried about seasons beyond 2019-20. That's more aggressive than I expected him to be.

 

[disco]

Gotta give to get. Recent two-time 32 goal scoring center that can play in all situations with 3 years left at $4.5... that was his chip and he played it. After Matthews/Tavares, no way Leafs can spend any kind of money on 3C/4C. Dumped the $$$ and scored a RHD for a year in Barrie, which means more seasoning for Sandin and Liljegren, which is huge. We've seen how rushing a guy can ruin him (poor Luke Schenn).

Good luck Naz! Man it is gonna be trippy seeing him in an opponent's jersey.

 

[50 Mission Cap]

Robert Svehla was our last top pairing RHD (and he ruled).

How dare you sir:

Oh the memories.

 

[93forever]

I truly believe the trade was also the result of the playoff suspensions.  Having Kadri for the entire series against the Bruins could have made the difference.  I am sad to see him leave, and wish him well, but looking forward to Barrie.

 

[Zee]

I truly believe the trade was also the result of the playoff suspensions.  Having Kadri for the entire series against the Bruins could have made the difference.  I am sad to see him leave, and wish him well, but looking forward to Barrie.

Sad that Kadri's last game as a Leaf was him getting suspended. Went through a lot in his years and would have been nice for him to at least be on the team that won a playoff round.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I truly believe the trade was also the result of the playoff suspensions.  Having Kadri for the entire series against the Bruins could have made the difference.  I am sad to see him leave, and wish him well, but looking forward to Barrie.

Sad that Kadri's last game as a Leaf was him getting suspended. Went through a lot in his years and would have been nice for him to at least be on the team that won a playoff round.

This is obviously on a significantly smaller scale, but this is almost our version of the Kawhi trade.

 

[Bender]

I truly believe the trade was also the result of the playoff suspensions.  Having Kadri for the entire series against the Bruins could have made the difference.  I am sad to see him leave, and wish him well, but looking forward to Barrie.

Sad that Kadri's last game as a Leaf was him getting suspended. Went through a lot in his years and would have been nice for him to at least be on the team that won a playoff round.

This is obviously on a significantly smaller scale, but this is almost our version of the Kawhi trade.

In the sense that a fan favourite who wore his heart on his sleeve played for a long time & was traded, because we are definitely not getting one of the best players in the world back

 

[disco]

Leafs offense is their greatest skill. The value of getting the puck up to them quickly and properly just cannot be understated. The "top" naturally RHD for the last few years has been Zaitsev, and he struggled with this. Slotting Barrie in there now is just huge.

Welcome to Toronto Tyson!

 

[CarltonTheBear]

This is obviously on a significantly smaller scale, but this is almost our version of the Kawhi trade.

In the sense that a fan favourite who wore his heart on his sleeve played for a long time & was traded, because we are definitely not getting one of the best players in the world back

Hey, I said significantly smaller. But yeah I think Kadri and DeMar both have the heart on the sleeve thing going on and were also a part of a team that just couldn't seem to win with them on it. And they were both traded mostly for a guy with 1 year left on his deal in an aggressive move that signified that they're pushing hard to win a championship this season. Make no mistake, this trade is a huge risk. If we won't get very far in the playoffs again and Barrie walks as a free agent Dubas will get a lot of flack.

 

[Bender]

This is obviously on a significantly smaller scale, but this is almost our version of the Kawhi trade.

In the sense that a fan favourite who wore his heart on his sleeve played for a long time & was traded, because we are definitely not getting one of the best players in the world back

Hey, I said significantly smaller. But yeah I think Kadri and DeMar both have the heart on the sleeve thing going on and were also a part of a team that just couldn't seem to win with them on it. And they were both traded mostly for a guy with 1 year left on his deal in an aggressive move that signified that they're pushing hard to win a championship this season. Make no mistake, this trade is a huge risk. If we won't get very far in the playoffs again and Barrie walks as a free agent Dubas will get a lot of flack.

For sure, and you wonder if Rosen was really a non-option to necessitate the move to that degree. At the very least we have Kerfoot as an RFA. I wonder what his ceiling is considering he only has 2yrs in the NHL.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/TheLeafsIMO/status/1146087084874244098

This specific pass came from the left side of the ice, but having someone with the ability to do this on the right side after years of Hainsey, Zaitsev, Polak/Oz is going to be magnificent.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/TheLeafsIMO/status/1146087084874244098

This specific pass came from the left side of the ice, but having someone with the ability to do this on the right side after years of Hainsey, Zaitsev, Polak/Oz is going to be magnificent.

Totally agree. Less grenades coming up the right side lol.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Extremely happy with this trade, even though I'll miss Kadri a ton.  Once Tavares was signed, I felt like Kadri would eventually get moved for two reasons:

1.  Take advantage of your surplus C on a good contract... its kind of a waste to have him on your third line if you have holes elsewhere
2.  I don't see Kadri's decline going all that well.  His value probably won't be higher than at this point.  I would have been concerned if he played more than this upcoming year here.

Guys, Tyson Barrie isn't perfect.  Basically a Right-handed Morgan Rielly.  He'll have his poor moments defensively.  But maaaan- we haven't had a Right-Handed D-man this good in a long time (as other users have said).  Sadly, he SHOULDN'T pair with Morgan.  They are too similar and both of them want to join the rush almost ever single time.  Both need a more steady partner and I'd rather have one of them on the ice for 70% of the game than both together for 35% of the game. 

P/GP, last two seasons combined.  Barrie 6th, Rielly 7th.

Finally, I'm with Nik... if you can get Gardiner to sign at a discount, you move Ceci.  I'd much rather have:

Gardiner-Rielly
Muzzin-Barrie

than

Muzzin-Barrie
Rielly-Ceci (note, I'd have Dermott ahead of Ceci)

Finally, if I'm choosing who to extend beyond this season its an easy choice for it to be Barrie IMO.  Sandin seems to be more like Muzzin stylistically (if less physical)... good first pass, strong at defending the blueline, heady plays, but doesn't really join the rush a ton. 

 

[Guilt Trip]

Dermott is ahead of Ceci. Ceci, if on the Leafs, will be a 3rd pairing guy.

 

[disco]

https://twitter.com/43_Kadri/status/1146116983680851978
A lot of great moments. Jumping into Bozie's arms after the tip against the Caps. Big time hits. Blowing past McDavid...
End of an era.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/truth-numbers-maple-leafs-better-team-trading-kadri/

Good article analysing the trade here. Gives a pretty positive outlook on Kerfoot too.

A big difference it notes between him and Kadri is that Kerfoot is more of a playmaker while Kadri was a shooter. I think that's more of a fit for us especially if he's going to be playing with Kapanen on the 3rd line.

 

[herman]

Extremely happy with this trade, even though I'll miss Kadri a ton.  Once Tavares was signed, I felt like Kadri would eventually get moved for two reasons:

1.  Take advantage of your surplus C on a good contract... its kind of a waste to have him on your third line if you have holes elsewhere
2.  I don't see Kadri's decline going all that well.  His value probably won't be higher than at this point.  I would have been concerned if he played more than this upcoming year here.

Guys, Tyson Barrie isn't perfect.  Basically a Right-handed Morgan Rielly.  He'll have his poor moments defensively.  But maaaan- we haven't had a Right-Handed D-man this good in a long time (as other users have said).  Sadly, he SHOULDN'T pair with Morgan.  They are too similar and both of them want to join the rush almost ever single time.  Both need a more steady partner and I'd rather have one of them on the ice for 70% of the game than both together for 35% of the game. 

P/GP, last two seasons combined.  Barrie 6th, Rielly 7th.

Finally, I'm with Nik... if you can get Gardiner to sign at a discount, you move Ceci.  I'd much rather have:

Gardiner-Rielly
Muzzin-Barrie

than

Muzzin-Barrie
Rielly-Ceci (note, I'd have Dermott ahead of Ceci)

Finally, if I'm choosing who to extend beyond this season its an easy choice for it to be Barrie IMO.  Sandin seems to be more like Muzzin stylistically (if less physical)... good first pass, strong at defending the blueline, heady plays, but doesn't really join the rush a ton.

#TeamCoco