Leafs vs. the Media

[Kin]

If a reporter comes out with a piece that says "Phanuef's leadership is not enough to stop monumental meltdowns" then that reporter has some proof to go with that statement.  Now if a reporter writes a piece that says "Phanuef is a waste of skin" that is completely off base and is bad journalism.

Yeah, I mean, it'd be nice to at least get a concrete example of what Phil thinks is this awful, unfair treatment Phaneuf is receiving. I listen to sports media in this town. I read the paper. There's a lot of discussion about Dion's play with opinions ranging from people who make the same "he's the best they've got" to people who think he's a bum but I don't remember any "he doesn't try" or "he's a bad person" stuff.

Honestly, I hope Phil gets to see what it's like being on the Lakers when they're bad or how "easy" A-Rod had it with the Yankees(before the PED stuff, I mean, where his great crime was just some disappointing playoffs).

 

[cw]

I haven't noticed a jersey throwing problem with any of the playoff bound teams.

I haven't either. I wonder if those clubs would punish those if they did so? 

 

[ZBBM]

Kessel went up a notch in my estimation for at least bothering to defend a teammate.  But criticism of Phaneuf (or any Leaf) is "embarrassing"?  The only thing that's embarrassing here is Kessel's (and the rest's) effort and effectiveness.

 

[Deebo]

I haven't noticed a jersey throwing problem with any of the playoff bound teams.

I haven't either. I wonder if those clubs would punish those if they did so? 

Most clubs would try and punish people who throw things on the ice during play.

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

I haven't noticed a jersey throwing problem with any of the playoff bound teams.

I haven't either. I wonder if those clubs would punish those if they did so? 

all teams should be so blessed.  in places like florida where they can't risk losing the few fans they have they'd have to hold jersey throwing nights.

 

[Bender]

Figured the Kessel tirade was gonna get talked about, may as well have a thread for it:

?I?m disappointed today,? Kessel said. ?I think the way the media treats Dion Phaneuf in this city is embarrassing. A lot of people should be ashamed of themselves. I?m embarrassed for them. I don?t think anyone deserves to be treated like that.?

"Just in general," he told reporters. "I think you guys unfairly criticize Dion. He's our best defenceman and you guys act like he's not trying out there."

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-kessel-defends-teammate-phaneuf/

Also said that the media owes Dion an apology and that it's not Dion who built this team.

update: video from TSN http://www.tsn.ca/kessel-i-m-just-tired-of-it-1.221102

I get paid millions of dollars. Wah.

I'd be laughing all the way to the bank.

I know if Canada's most watched sports network posted a tweet saying my wife was sleeping with one of my teammates during one of their most watched shows of the year I'd be like "oh well I'm a robotic millionaire! Bank time!"

That's not what he was referring to. He specifically stated that the media thinks he's not trying. Ok, and? If you're referring to the tweet then yes, it's embarassing for a broadcaster to publish it. But I wouldn't call it a "media" problem, as if everyone in the media is a self-serving douchebag. One idiot probably posted that and is deserving of discipline, as well as the manager who allowed it, but complaining about the media at large? Because they're unfairly treated for being a bunch of losers?

If you want to salvage your reputation and not have the media on your ass as they are then win. Until then, yes, bank time.

 

[freer]

Kessel went up a notch in my estimation for at least bothering to defend a teammate.  But criticism of Phaneuf (or any Leaf) is "embarrassing"?  The only thing that's embarrassing here is Kessel's (and the rest's) effort and effectiveness.

Honestly, None of you have mentioned the tweet on TSN yesterday. Kessel is correct the media in TO awful.

 

[cw]

Yeah, I mean, it'd be nice to at least get a concrete example of what Phil thinks is this awful, unfair treatment Phaneuf is receiving.

I listened again and didn't get a specific grievance beyond something general like Phil tries hard, he's our best dman and people don't recognize it.

http://www.tsn.ca/i-m-fed-up-over-what-s-been-said-1.221076

He did say they'd lost a bunch of tight games - which is true but they've also been shutout in 28+% of their games since mid January - that's a pretty staggering figure.

 

[cw]

Kessel went up a notch in my estimation for at least bothering to defend a teammate.  But criticism of Phaneuf (or any Leaf) is "embarrassing"?  The only thing that's embarrassing here is Kessel's (and the rest's) effort and effectiveness.

Honestly, None of you have mentioned the tweet on TSN yesterday. Kessel is correct the media in TO awful.

from this thread:

Some of the media coverage has been awful over the years. No question. It's been a problem for a long time.

Some of the stuff that has happened to them over the last couple of years with respect to the media is a bit strange (Reimer and his mother, TSN posting a tweet about Lupul sleeping with Phanuef's wife).

I posted about the Lupul tweet yesterday

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Hey Phil!  Quit yer yammerin' and go play hockey!

?Kessel could go into the corner with a dozen eggs in his pocket and not break any of them."
Harold E. Ballard

 

[freer]

To be honest I would not be surprise if the whole team takes Lupul's stand. "No Comment"

 

[Bender]

Kessel went up a notch in my estimation for at least bothering to defend a teammate.  But criticism of Phaneuf (or any Leaf) is "embarrassing"?  The only thing that's embarrassing here is Kessel's (and the rest's) effort and effectiveness.

Honestly, None of you have mentioned the tweet on TSN yesterday. Kessel is correct the media in TO awful.

A few of us did if you read the thread.

 

[pmrules]

Kessel has made it quite clear as to who he blames for this mess.  (hint it's obviously not him and its obviously not Dion or any of the other players).

Kessel said that Dion 'didn't build this team' or something to that effect.  That's as big a shot at Nonis/management if there ever was one.

He's not wrong...he's not 100% right either.

 

[Joe S.]

Kessel is the TMLFan of the Leafs dressing room.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Kessel has made it quite clear as to who he blames for this mess.  (hint it's obviously not him and its obviously not Dion or any of the other players).

Kessel said that Dion 'didn't build this team' or something to that effect.  That's as big a shot at Nonis/management if there ever was one.

He's not wrong...he's not 100% right either.

Phaneuf didn't build the team seems 100% right in my understanding of Phaneuf's role in management.

 

[Can8899]

EDIT: to Potvin29's point: Phaneuf is the captain of this sinking ship. I think some criticism of him and his role as captain in this isn't unfair.

Criticism of his play and his role of captain is ok, it's the method by which it's done that is the issue.  From my point of view, the media often seems like they have their article written before the game and before actaully speaking with the players.  They know that negative sells right now so that's what they are going to focus on.  You can see that Phil has given up on the Leafs and it's not because of ownership, management or fans but rather the insane gaggle of media that sniff the Leafs jocks daily. 

I personally applaud Kessel for standing up and saying something and defending a teammate. 

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

EDIT: to Potvin29's point: Phaneuf is the captain of this sinking ship. I think some criticism of him and his role as captain in this isn't unfair.

Criticism of his play and his role of captain is ok, it's the method by which it's done that is the issue.  From my point of view, the media often seems like they have their article written before the game and before actaully speaking with the players.  They know that negative sells right now so that's what they are going to focus on.  You can see that Phil has given up on the Leafs and it's not because of ownership, management or fans but rather the insane gaggle of media that sniff the Leafs jocks daily. 

I personally applaud Kessel for standing up and saying something and defending a teammate.

And I don't think the issue was ever that SOME criticism isn't fair.  Nobody has said that they deserve no criticism.  So it's disingenuous to try to frame it as that.  Kessel clearly said he was upset with the amount of criticism and manner of it that he's taken (and was clearly pushed to finally say something by the tweet aired by TSN).

 

[cabber24]

Kessel has made it quite clear as to who he blames for this mess.  (hint it's obviously not him and its obviously not Dion or any of the other players).

Kessel said that Dion 'didn't build this team' or something to that effect.  That's as big a shot at Nonis/management if there ever was one.

He's not wrong...he's not 100% right either.

Waaaahh, reminds when he got all defensive and asked if it was his fault?!? YYEEEEEEESSSS!!!! YEEEESSS! YES it's your fault! Your the highest paid player on team nose diving, take some ownership!

Obviously, it's not solely up to him and Dion but lead by example. He is far more capable then the caliber he's been playing at and that fact is all on him.

Oh by the way: http://www.tsn.ca/leafs-still-seeking-road-win-in-2015-1.220991

Shut up and play hockey. #whinningbitches

 

[caver]

Really Cabber ?? So the daily pictures of Dion in dresses or as a doll ( choking hazard ) or tweets about teammates having his wife are just part of the hockey life in Toronto ?? The money won't change the impact this crap has on the person. I applaud them for fighting back.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Yeah, I mean, it'd be nice to at least get a concrete example of what Phil thinks is this awful, unfair treatment Phaneuf is receiving.

I listened again and didn't get a specific grievance beyond something general like Phil tries hard, he's our best dman and people don't recognize it.

http://www.tsn.ca/i-m-fed-up-over-what-s-been-said-1.221076

He did say they'd lost a bunch of tight games - which is true but they've also been shutout in 28+% of their games since mid January - that's a pretty staggering figure.

Wasn't Phaneuf given the distinction of most overrated player by his peers?  He has guys from other teams shooting pucks at him.  He gets a disproportionate amount of grief from players on just about every other team in the league.  He gets run at by other guys all the time.  How come his teammates never seem to defend him on the ice?  They skate away with their collective heads down.

Never mind the media Phil, why not show your anger where it matters?