Leafs vs. the Media

[cabber24]

Really Cabber ?? So the daily pictures of Dion in dresses or as a doll ( choking hazard ) or tweets about teammates having his wife are just part of the hockey life in Toronto ?? The money won't change the impact this crap has on the person. I applaud them for fighting back.

They are way to easy to pick on when they mail-it-in the way they have been.

 

[brothert]

Really Cabber ?? So the daily pictures of Dion in dresses or as a doll ( choking hazard ) or tweets about teammates having his wife are just part of the hockey life in Toronto ?? The money won't change the impact this crap has on the person. I applaud them for fighting back.

It's really cyber bullying disguised as journalism IMO.  With no sympathy from anyone because they are wealthy.  So many people have crashed and burned after winning the lottery because of the MYTH that having money somehow makes your life so much better.  Money doesn't ease peoples worries, it just changes what they worry about.  Hell, most of us in the west make a hundred times what the world average is but we are no more happier than the kid in the grass hut on the savannah.  They get paid because they're "good" hockey players and should be treated to some level of decency.  At least the same level that we would expect for ourselves.

 

[Chris]

OK, I don't live in Toronto so I don't get to see everything that goes on in the local media. Are actual members of the media doing that kind of crap (pictures of Dion in dresses, for example), or does that kind of stuff come from bloggers and message board idiots? If it's the former, I agree it's pretty disgusting and shouldn't be happening or be tolerated. If it's the latter...I don't know what can really be done about it.

 

[Frank E]

I don't have an issue with Kessel publicly defending a teammate.

I think we can disagree whether or not there are grounds for Phaneuf criticism (to whatever extent), but I don't have a problem with Phil pushing back a bit.

On a related note, that Lupul thing was brutal, and I wouldn't blame Lupul for being upset about that. 

 

[Mike1]

The media has gotten pretty bad as time has gone on. With all the talk shows, pre-game & post-game drivel by panels filled with blowhards, there is so much garbage out there. Does that absolve the disastrous decade this team has had? Not at all.

I understand why Kessel would want to take a stand & support a teammate. He is wrong when he states that it isn't Dion's fault the team is in the shape it's in though. It's Dion's, Phil's & anyone else's who plays a major role in this teams fortunes. Management shouldn't get off easy either. Nonis should be gone the day the season is over. As the poster cw has stated, to be talking about a rebuild when we've spent the majority of the last ten years in the bottom of the NHL is just...insane.

When it comes down to media or the team one is just as big of a disaster as the other.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I haven't noticed a jersey throwing problem with any of the playoff bound teams.

I haven't either. I wonder if those clubs would punish those if they did so? 

To my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong, they're being punished because they're throwing jerseys on the ice during play...not stoppages. It's very dangerous.

Really Cabber ?? So the daily pictures of Dion in dresses or as a doll ( choking hazard ) or tweets about teammates having his wife are just part of the hockey life in Toronto ?? The money won't change the impact this crap has on the person. I applaud them for fighting back.

They are way to easy to pick on when they mail-it-in the way they have been.

Isn't that what we want them to do in order to get the best pick possible? Keep up the good work boys is the way I look at it....just wished it was this bad at the beginning of the year.
And for the record, Kessel is right...he didn't build this team. Nonis needs to be gone as he built this team and still hasn't gotten us a true #1 centre yet. And the media is brutal here.

 

[MetalRaven]

I feel the prevailing attitude of the players is that of defeated victims.

Please stop booing it hurts
Please stop throwing jerseys it hurts
Please stop being mean to me in the media it hurts
Please stop being mean to the captain/my teamates in the media it hurts
Please stop  rumours around the trade deadline cause it hurts

Its just a longer list of complaining, finger pointing and excuses
Its the fans fault, the medias fault, ownerships fault, the other players fault...

I know im banging this drum one more time but a player who said this
?Honestly, I skated maybe?I don?t want to tell you this?but I skated 10 times maybe all summer,? Kessel revealed to reporters Thursday in Toronto as training camp opened.

should seriously keep his mouth shut about how "unfair" and "terrible" and "embarrassing" the media is. If they were as bad as he says they are, they should be chasing him to his car nightly asking him if he plans on skating 11 times this off season.

This terrible lackadaisical attitude towards off season training could not have possibly found its way into his regular play? Could it not have also rubbed off on some of his teammates? I can't say for a certainty that we would be in a better position right now if Kessel worked more in the off season, but I can say he admitted he didn't and the Leafs are historically bad right now...

I've drawn my own conclusions and it hurts.

 

[mr grieves]

OK, I don't live in Toronto so I don't get to see everything that goes on in the local media. Are actual members of the media doing that kind of crap (pictures of Dion in dresses, for example), or does that kind of stuff come from bloggers and message board idiots? If it's the former, I agree it's pretty disgusting and shouldn't be happening or be tolerated. If it's the latter...I don't know what can really be done about it.

For a start, news outlets could stop trying to create content on the cheap by republishing tweets. It's sad and disturbing that online chatter -- its bullying, its swarming, its unthinking knee-jerk reactions -- now has a place on outlets that used to operate more rigorously and professionally... 

 

[ZBBM]

Kessel went up a notch in my estimation for at least bothering to defend a teammate.  But criticism of Phaneuf (or any Leaf) is "embarrassing"?  The only thing that's embarrassing here is Kessel's (and the rest's) effort and effectiveness.

Honestly, None of you have mentioned the tweet on TSN yesterday. Kessel is correct the media in TO awful.

A few of us did if you read the thread.

I didn't know anything about a tweet until I saw a reference to it in this thread. 

If Kessel is upset about that (and he should be), then there's no beef.  But he certainly wasn't clear about it in the tape I saw.  He kept referring to Dion as our top d-man, as if that should insulate him from criticism of his performance.  If he meant to defend a teammate against a slander, then where that teammate stands in the talent hierarchy shouldn't matter.

 

[bustaheims]

mirtle: Breaking: Phaneuf, Cuthbert and Lupul now have legal representation and are demanding an apology/damages http://t.co/Ao16IsPMk9

Good. Hopefully, this will at least get them to think about having a bit of a filter for things like tweets and stuff.

 

[pmrules]

Kessel has made it quite clear as to who he blames for this mess.  (hint it's obviously not him and its obviously not Dion or any of the other players).

Kessel said that Dion 'didn't build this team' or something to that effect.  That's as big a shot at Nonis/management if there ever was one.

He's not wrong...he's not 100% right either.

Phaneuf didn't build the team seems 100% right in my understanding of Phaneuf's role in management.

Not what i meant...you know that.

I meant Kessel is not wrong...and that Kessel is not 100% right either.

Yes, the players did not put this team together.  However, the players effort and the continuous way they have been losing is just as much on the players too.

 

[L K]

Please stop throwing jerseys it hurts

Please stop giving sympathy to these clowns who can't be bothered to follow the rules.  Buying a ticket doesn't entitle you to throw stuff on the ice.  You face the consequences of your own stupid actions.

 

[pmrules]

I can feel a win streak for the team coming along...dammit Kessel!!!

 

[Bates]

This should help with free agency!!!  The worse the team plays the worse the media gets which leads to the team getting worse..........death spiral.

 

[MetalRaven]

Please stop throwing jerseys it hurts

Please stop giving sympathy to these clowns who can't be bothered to follow the rules.  Buying a ticket doesn't entitle you to throw stuff on the ice.  You face the consequences of your own stupid actions.

Sorry, never meant to insinuate that I agreed with or sympathize with jersey tossers...just see it as another in a long line of excuses that have nothing to do with their play on the ice.

(For the record I disagree with throwing jerseys on the ice during play, after play? I see it as no different then rats, octopi, waffles ect if anything its pretty easy to pick up and doesn't harm the playing surface. I wouldnt do it myself, I don't think its a 'good thing' to have anyone throw anything but if they have to at least its not pouring beer on people)

 

[moon111]

I've never understood why Leafs have to be so open to the media.  No good comes from it.  The Kessel video really gets to me.  Can you imagine Clark saying that?  Kessel is not tough enough to play for Toronto.

 

[cw]

Please stop throwing jerseys it hurts

Please stop giving sympathy to these clowns who can't be bothered to follow the rules.  Buying a ticket doesn't entitle you to throw stuff on the ice.  You face the consequences of your own stupid actions.

Sorry, never meant to insinuate that I agreed with or sympathize with jersey tossers...just see it as another in a long line of excuses that have nothing to do with their play on the ice.

(For the record I disagree with throwing jerseys on the ice during play, after play? I see it as no different then rats, octopi, waffles ect if anything its pretty easy to pick up and doesn't harm the playing surface. I wouldnt do it myself, I don't think its a 'good thing' to have anyone throw anything but if they have to at least its not pouring beer on people)

Ever since I was a little kid, a guy scores a hat trick ... folks tended to throw stuff on the ice ... like hats or Maple Leafs caps.

I think a fairly recent hat trick (in the last 5 years) by Crosby got close to 1,500 hats tossed on the ice in Pittsburgh.

EDIT: don't know if this was the same night

I never saw anyone thrown out or banned for it. Am I missing something or is this a double standard?

 

[L K]

Please stop throwing jerseys it hurts

Please stop giving sympathy to these clowns who can't be bothered to follow the rules.  Buying a ticket doesn't entitle you to throw stuff on the ice.  You face the consequences of your own stupid actions.

Sorry, never meant to insinuate that I agreed with or sympathize with jersey tossers...just see it as another in a long line of excuses that have nothing to do with their play on the ice.

(For the record I disagree with throwing jerseys on the ice during play, after play? I see it as no different then rats, octopi, waffles ect if anything its pretty easy to pick up and doesn't harm the playing surface. I wouldnt do it myself, I don't think its a 'good thing' to have anyone throw anything but if they have to at least its not pouring beer on people)

Ever since I was a little kid, a guy scores a hat trick ... folks tended to throw stuff on the ice ... like hats or Maple Leafs caps.

I think a fairly recent hat trick (in the last 5 years) by Crosby got close to 1,500 hats tossed on the ice in Pittsburgh.

EDIT: don't know if this was the same night

I never saw anyone thrown out or banned for it. Am I missing something or is this a double standard?

It's not a double standard, but it certainly is an exception to the rule.  There is a whopping difference between something that is a part of the tradition of the game and someone throwing something in the middle of play.

"The Canadian Tire Centre's policy is that any patron who would throw items onto the ice would be ejected from the CTC," Brian Morris, the Senators' senior director of communications, told the Sun.

 

[MetalRaven]

Please stop throwing jerseys it hurts

Please stop giving sympathy to these clowns who can't be bothered to follow the rules.  Buying a ticket doesn't entitle you to throw stuff on the ice.  You face the consequences of your own stupid actions.

Sorry, never meant to insinuate that I agreed with or sympathize with jersey tossers...just see it as another in a long line of excuses that have nothing to do with their play on the ice.

(For the record I disagree with throwing jerseys on the ice during play, after play? I see it as no different then rats, octopi, waffles ect if anything its pretty easy to pick up and doesn't harm the playing surface. I wouldnt do it myself, I don't think its a 'good thing' to have anyone throw anything but if they have to at least its not pouring beer on people)

Ever since I was a little kid, a guy scores a hat trick ... folks tended to throw stuff on the ice ... like hats or Maple Leafs caps.

I think a fairly recent hat trick (in the last 5 years) by Crosby got close to 1,500 hats tossed on the ice in Pittsburgh.

EDIT: don't know if this was the same night

I never saw anyone thrown out or banned for it. Am I missing something or is this a double standard?

Sells more hats.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Please stop throwing jerseys it hurts

Please stop giving sympathy to these clowns who can't be bothered to follow the rules.  Buying a ticket doesn't entitle you to throw stuff on the ice.  You face the consequences of your own stupid actions.

Sorry, never meant to insinuate that I agreed with or sympathize with jersey tossers...just see it as another in a long line of excuses that have nothing to do with their play on the ice.

(For the record I disagree with throwing jerseys on the ice during play, after play? I see it as no different then rats, octopi, waffles ect if anything its pretty easy to pick up and doesn't harm the playing surface. I wouldnt do it myself, I don't think its a 'good thing' to have anyone throw anything but if they have to at least its not pouring beer on people)

Ever since I was a little kid, a guy scores a hat trick ... folks tended to throw stuff on the ice ... like hats or Maple Leafs caps.

I think a fairly recent hat trick (in the last 5 years) by Crosby got close to 1,500 hats tossed on the ice in Pittsburgh.

EDIT: don't know if this was the same night

I never saw anyone thrown out or banned for it. Am I missing something or is this a double standard?

It's not a double standard, but it certainly is an exception to the rule.  There is a whopping difference between something that is a part of the tradition of the game and someone throwing something in the middle of play.

"The Canadian Tire Centre's policy is that any patron who would throw items onto the ice would be ejected from the CTC," Brian Morris, the Senators' senior director of communications, told the Sun.

My OHL rink also does "chuck a puck" or a teddy bear toss on certain nights.  But you'd still get in trouble for throwing your jersey on the ice during the game.  It's not hard to understand there are certain things arenas allow and things they don't.

It's the slippery slope argument - so you can throw hats on the ice after a hat-trick, that means I can throw my jersey, I guess I'm allowed to throw my food on the ice....