Leafs vs. the Media

[CarltonTheBear]

...This lawsuit will hopefully knock the idea out of TSN's mind that just putting up tweets on their screens from random idiots is a good idea or, at least, get them to actually exert some editorial control on it rather than what they probably did and leave the choosing of tweets to some intern or junior producer.

Not that this makes much difference, but apparently it was an automated process based particular hashtags (e.g. #tradecentre)

Yeah, I can't believe that. I have to assume that a major national network would have some control over every single thing that went on their air. I mean, if I'd added #tradecentre to a tweet that was full of racial hatred I'm guessing they would have been filtering that out.

#SeaOfPoo

 

[Peter D.]

Gotta say, it doesn't break my heart to see TSN go through this. God have I grown to really hate that channel over time.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Sometimes, it has to do with the content of the reporting, or personal friction. There are feuds that kick off over nothing in a locker room and are resolved in print over decades. But it?s more fundamental than that.

There are players I?ve covered for years, talked to many times about all sorts of things. I think I know them, at least a little.

Then one day, we?ll walk past each other in the street, our eyes meet and they don?t recognize me. Not at all.

As media, we are locker-room background ? as animate as grease boards and laundry hampers. You can?t remember what you haven?t really seen in the first place.

Then you?ll run into the same guy in a Starbucks lineup on the road and end up talking to each other about nothing. Maybe he?ll see you embracing an old coach of his. Or he?ll wander into an actual human conversation you?re having with the GM about families or movies or a mutual acquaintance.

All of a sudden, and in that instant, you become a real person. And that player never forgets you, sometimes even years later. It?s bizarre, and it happens all the time in this business.

Once that?s happened, you?ll never rip that guy in print. You?ll criticize, but the ripping days are over. He?s not just someone you cover any more. He?s someone you know.

This has very little to do with the job. It?s human nature.

Once you?ve seen and been seen, you?ve crossed a bridge together. Empathy?s part of it now. It may not affect the content of your work, but it certainly has an impact on the tone. From then on, disagreements are squashed one-on-one. You?re not friends, but you show each other a rough sort of respect.

Some players don?t get that basic calculus, which is fine. They?re free to behave as they?d like. They have a right to expect that things never get personal ? though ?personal? means different things to different people.

Beyond that, they have no rights. What they have is the environment they?ve created for themselves.

The question only a few take the time to ask themselves is ?What do I want?? If you would like to see the best part of yourself reflected in the way people report on you, then you show it. If you don?t care, then don?t bother.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/kelly-a-lesson-in-media-relations-for-phil-kessel/article23276623/

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Lawsuit is a joke, the fact that the players are reacting will only encourage the trolls.

I don't think the lawsuit is a joke because I think it speaks to something that is genuinely wrong with the media today beyond whatever hurt feelings the players might have generally. TSN flashes a ton of information during their deadline show and there is an expectation that there's enough editorial control that what they put on their broadcast has some semblance of legitimacy to it. This lawsuit will hopefully knock the idea out of TSN's mind that just putting up tweets on their screens from random idiots is a good idea or, at least, get them to actually exert some editorial control on it rather than what they probably did and leave the choosing of tweets to some intern or junior producer. They need to do their job better and this lawsuit, and whatever might damages might come from it, should be their inspiration for it.

Honestly, the Cuthbert stuff specifically is bordering on ridiculous. Think of the various ways now she's had people saying disgusting stuff about her in the media for the great crime of dating and then marrying a hockey player. Whatever frustrations people might have with Phaneuf and his play it is reprehensible to drag someone's family into it and these ugly misogynistic jokes aren't funny, they're not clever and as hockey fans,  or just people, we should expect better from each other.

Exactly.

This has nothing to do with how much they make, how they perform on the ice, or what the fans think of them.

This is a media taking liberties with a person's private life that not one of them would appreciate if the tables were turned.

 

[Bullfrog]

...This lawsuit will hopefully knock the idea out of TSN's mind that just putting up tweets on their screens from random idiots is a good idea or, at least, get them to actually exert some editorial control on it rather than what they probably did and leave the choosing of tweets to some intern or junior producer.

Not that this makes much difference, but apparently it was an automated process based particular hashtags (e.g. #tradecentre)

Yeah, I can't believe that. I have to assume that a major national network would have some control over every single thing that went on their air. I mean, if I'd added #tradecentre to a tweet that was full of racial hatred I'm guessing they would have been filtering that out.

I'll try to find where I read that. I found it surprising too, but it was framed in a "oopsy, we didn't have sufficient controls on the automated ticker" kind of thing. Might have just been someone's early and ill-formed attempt at damage control.

 

[herman]

...This lawsuit will hopefully knock the idea out of TSN's mind that just putting up tweets on their screens from random idiots is a good idea or, at least, get them to actually exert some editorial control on it rather than what they probably did and leave the choosing of tweets to some intern or junior producer.

Not that this makes much difference, but apparently it was an automated process based particular hashtags (e.g. #tradecentre)

Did they confirm that? That might be dumber than a moderator watching the feed and actually allowing the tweet to go in.

Most outlets (tv, websites, etc.) that run Twitter feeds on air use the same process. They had profanity filters on to block the obvious trash, but some humans watching the feed (on delay) would've saved them this hassle.

Not to make excuses, but reading the stuff that flows throw Twitter for the whole day is not easy and quite harrowing for the soul. The tweet re: Lupul, while written on a lark and inappropriately libelous, was relatively tame compared to what some people write behind the 'anonymity' of the keyboard (see: Curt Schilling's takedown of Twitter trolls).

What consequences will the author of that tweet face? He is actually quite unrepentant about it.
Maybe some airtime for the trolling and bullying that appears in Social Media is what needed to happen for positive change to take place. This seedy underside of all the positives the Internet brings needs to be addressed.

 

[Bullfrog]

Just did a very cursory check of some articles and it seems as though it was automated AND monitored, but whoever was monitoring it just missed it I guess.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

...This lawsuit will hopefully knock the idea out of TSN's mind that just putting up tweets on their screens from random idiots is a good idea or, at least, get them to actually exert some editorial control on it rather than what they probably did and leave the choosing of tweets to some intern or junior producer.

Not that this makes much difference, but apparently it was an automated process based particular hashtags (e.g. #tradecentre)

As I posted in another thread, it happened on the BBC with responses to the Queen's first tweet, so it's not only a TSN problem. New technology takes some adjusting to it would seem.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/queens-first-tweet-sent-by-man-telling-queen-to-f-off-broadcast-on-bbc-news-9817877.html

 

[hockeyfan1]

Don't blame Joffrey Lupul one bit for #no comment.  Those remarks about the wife thing were not only disparaging but done with a 'viciousness' in a deliberate attempt at berating the two players (Phaneuf & Lupul).

As a Leaf fan, on the above count alone, I'm somewhat embarrassed.

 

[Kin]

As I posted in another thread, it happened on the BBC with responses to the Queen's first tweet, so it's not only a TSN problem. New technology takes some adjusting to it would seem.

Well, except A) Twitter's not really new and B) that's something responsible media would have nailed down before they included it in their coverage.

 

[Kin]

I'll try to find where I read that. I found it surprising too, but it was framed in a "oopsy, we didn't have sufficient controls on the automated ticker" kind of thing. Might have just been someone's early and ill-formed attempt at damage control.

Although as CtB sort of hinted at, it's almost kind of worse if that's true. Why in the world would they let things on the air they weren't monitoring?

 

[Kessel Run]

I don't turn TSN on to see what fools are saying on Twitter. No need for the feed in the first place.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I don't turn TSN on to see what fools are saying on Twitter. No need for the feed in the first place.

Yeah I've always found it odd and obviously a perfect opportunity for Twitter trolls to get inappropriate things onto national TV.

 

[Al14]

this is kind of how sports works.  if you lose ..people don't like you.

It's not only the losing!  Getting paid millions of dollars to not perform is a huge factor too!

If Phaneuf and Kessel were paid half of what they're earning, I would not complain nearly as much!

Just look at Clarkson, at $2.0M, he's still a Leaf, and, not vilified nearly as much!

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

this is kind of how sports works.  if you lose ..people don't like you.

It's not only the losing!  Getting paid millions of dollars to not perform is a huge factor too!

If Phaneuf and Kessel were paid half of what they're earning, I would not complain nearly as much!

Just look at Clarkson, at $2.0M, he's still a Leaf, and, not vilified nearly as much!

In terms of the media, Clarkson was vilified about 0.000001% of what Kessel gets.

 

[ZBBM]

There's an easy answer to all this: don't use social media.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

There's an easy answer to all this: don't use social media.

I hate to break it to you...

 

[ZBBM]

There's an easy answer to all this: don't use social media.

I hate to break it to you...

No it isn't. 

 

[riff raff]

If you see some of the on-line reactions to the lawsuit threat you have to fear for society. There are people who are upset with Phaneuf, Lupul et all for daring to be upset. They think they should be able to say anything they want (especially on social media) without consequences.

Of course, there are many people (on here too perhaps?) that think if you make a lot of money you don't have any right to feelings.

 

[Highlander]

Hey Riff Raff, why  didnt you volunteer last night to get into the net for the Panthers?