Leafs @ Wings - Mar. 18th, 7:30pm - SN, SN 590

[Andy007]

Carlyle on Reimer. "He was okay, just okay."

Reimer on that comment: "He thought I was just okay? Hmm I thought I was good."

One of them is 100% gone in the off season.

Randy's right. Other than some highlight reel saves, he was 'just alright' for the majority of the game last night. That second goal was a back breaker.

I think it's funny that you casually dismiss the "highlight reel" save aspect of his game and scrutinize a single goal against. I think that points to a greater problem of the overall team.

 

[Rebel_1812]

Carlyle on Reimer. "He was okay, just okay."

Reimer on that comment: "He thought I was just okay? Hmm I thought I was good."

One of them is 100% gone in the off season.

Randy's right. Other than some highlight reel saves, he was 'just alright' for the majority of the game last night. That second goal was a back breaker.

I think randy is a good coach but I cannot defend that.  You don't throw you goalie under the bus publically like that.  I think this little spat means Reimer gets traded in the offseason.  Will be sad to see one of the best leaf draft picks in recent years gone already.

 

[Redleaf]

Carlyle on Reimer. "He was okay, just okay."

Reimer on that comment: "He thought I was just okay? Hmm I thought I was good."

One of them is 100% gone in the off season.

Randy's right. Other than some highlight reel saves, he was 'just alright' for the majority of the game last night. That second goal was a back breaker.

I think it's funny that you casually dismiss the "highlight reel" save aspect of his game and scrutinize a single goal against. I think that points to a greater problem of the overall team.

Highlight reel saves are great. They look fantastic. But when he also lets in some stoppable shots in the same game, than the impact of those great saves are diminished. Looking at his performance as a whole last night, it was.....just alright.

 

[Redleaf]

Carlyle on Reimer. "He was okay, just okay."

Reimer on that comment: "He thought I was just okay? Hmm I thought I was good."

One of them is 100% gone in the off season.

Randy's right. Other than some highlight reel saves, he was 'just alright' for the majority of the game last night. That second goal was a back breaker.

I think randy is a good coach but I cannot defend that.  You don't throw you goalie under the bus publically like that.  I think this little spat means Reimer gets traded in the offseason.  Will be sad to see one of the best leaf draft picks in recent years gone already.

Randy shouldn't have said that publicly, I agree. I think Reimer should only be traded if/when good value is coming back. He deserves to be a number one goalie somewhere in the league. I think he's a great goaltender, but it may just be that he needs to be getting the majority of starts to flourish, and he won't be getting those anymore in Toronto.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Randy's right. Other than some highlight reel saves, he was 'just alright' for the majority of the game last night. That second goal was a back breaker.

You mean that absolutely perfectly placed shot that went post and in?

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Saying Gardiner "can't play defense" is grossly overstating it too, and if it were true, he'd be on the ice for a heck of a lot more goals against than he has been.

I don't think it's a case of him not being able to play defense. He does seem to wander at times and also gets stuck in places where you have to ask yourself "what is he doing there?"

That being said, he's gotten better at that as the year has gone on and that's all you can ask of a player with that much of an upside.

I don't think the pinch at the end of the game was a wise one but what pinch looks wise when it results in a goal against?

 

[Bullfrog]

#freeAshton, like for real.

Are you implying that Sunday's taste of freedom wasn't enough?

I think he's trying to break up Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis, probably for his own selfish agenda.

I'm more of a Donna Pinciotti type.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

#freeAshton, like for real.

Are you implying that Sunday's taste of freedom wasn't enough?

I think he's trying to break up Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis, probably for his own selfish agenda.

I'm more of a Donna Pinciotti type.

You're insane.

 

[Zee]

Randy's right. Other than some highlight reel saves, he was 'just alright' for the majority of the game last night. That second goal was a back breaker.

You mean that absolutely perfectly placed shot that went post and in?

Perfect shot that went right by Reimer.  The first goal also wasn't great, sure it was a breakaway, but Nyquist didn't get a great shot off, Reimer had it then knocked it in himself with the stick.  Contrast that to Kessel's breakaway on Howard, he had a much more difficult shot on net and Howard made the save.  Moments like that make or break a game.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I have some serious issues with last nights game. More so than any of the other losses on this trip.

The defense made some real boneheaded plays. From Phaneuf and Ranger continually trying to hold the line despite their inability to recover if they do lose the battle to the forwards making idiotic passes in the offensive zone(see Lupul's pass back on the second goal or JvR's cross ice behind the back pass at the offensive blue line as examples). I also had some huge issues with the forwards breaking out of their own zone. Since when is it a smart move to try a pretty pass at your own blue line when you've been stuck in your zone scrambling for 45 seconds? I watched Bozak do it. I watched Raymond do it. I watched JvR do it....Off the glass and out boys...get the line change...Chances are nobody will be able to skate with the player you've passed it to anyway so why attempt it?

My wife questioned me repeatedly why I was so upset last night watching the game. She of course looked at the score and couldn't comprehend my frustration. I told her that I'd question the tyke players I coach for making some of those plays. Of course I was exaggerating but if they were peewees, I certainly would.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Randy's right. Other than some highlight reel saves, he was 'just alright' for the majority of the game last night. That second goal was a back breaker.

You mean that absolutely perfectly placed shot that went post and in?

Perfect shot that went right by Reimer.  The first goal also wasn't great, sure it was a breakaway, but Nyquist didn't get a great shot off, Reimer had it then knocked it in himself with the stick.  Contrast that to Kessel's breakaway on Howard, he had a much more difficult shot on net and Howard made the save.  Moments like that make or break a game.

But it's more or less luck that one is a save and one isn't.

 

[Zee]

Randy's right. Other than some highlight reel saves, he was 'just alright' for the majority of the game last night. That second goal was a back breaker.

You mean that absolutely perfectly placed shot that went post and in?

Perfect shot that went right by Reimer.  The first goal also wasn't great, sure it was a breakaway, but Nyquist didn't get a great shot off, Reimer had it then knocked it in himself with the stick.  Contrast that to Kessel's breakaway on Howard, he had a much more difficult shot on net and Howard made the save.  Moments like that make or break a game.

But it's more or less luck that one is a save and one isn't.

Reimer got the shot on the breakaway, that should have been stopped.  It hit him and then trickled in.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Randy's right. Other than some highlight reel saves, he was 'just alright' for the majority of the game last night. That second goal was a back breaker.

You mean that absolutely perfectly placed shot that went post and in?

Perfect shot that went right by Reimer.  The first goal also wasn't great, sure it was a breakaway, but Nyquist didn't get a great shot off, Reimer had it then knocked it in himself with the stick.  Contrast that to Kessel's breakaway on Howard, he had a much more difficult shot on net and Howard made the save.  Moments like that make or break a game.

But it's more or less luck that one is a save and one isn't.

Of course. To blame that first goal on Reimer is silly. I take more of an issue with the second but it was a perfect shot. In fact, I take the most issue with the 3rd goal despite it being a 2 on 1. A goalie should be attacking the shooter on a cross ice pass that high in the 2 on 1. Reimer came across and sat down...

That being said, without Lupul's brutal pass on the 2nd goal, it doesn't happen and without Gardiner's lacklustre pinch on the 3rd goal, it doesn't happen.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Randy's right. Other than some highlight reel saves, he was 'just alright' for the majority of the game last night. That second goal was a back breaker.

You mean that absolutely perfectly placed shot that went post and in?

Perfect shot that went right by Reimer.  The first goal also wasn't great, sure it was a breakaway, but Nyquist didn't get a great shot off, Reimer had it then knocked it in himself with the stick.  Contrast that to Kessel's breakaway on Howard, he had a much more difficult shot on net and Howard made the save.  Moments like that make or break a game.

But it's more or less luck that one is a save and one isn't.

Reimer got the shot on the breakaway, that should have been stopped.  It hit him and then trickled in.

Which is unlucky.  He reacted to the shot and it hit his stick - what's he supposed to do?  Goalies don't always know where the puck ends up on a shot.  He reacted to the move and instead of getting stuck in his pads like he played it to do, it rolls off to the side and off his stick before he can see it happen.  It's luck.  That puck could have bounced out, could have stayed put, could have bounced left - it went right and hit his stick perfectly to go in.

Just like Howard was lucky that the puck hit off his skate blade and not a bit in the other direction.

 

[Andy007]

Randy's right. Other than some highlight reel saves, he was 'just alright' for the majority of the game last night. That second goal was a back breaker.

You mean that absolutely perfectly placed shot that went post and in?

Perfect shot that went right by Reimer.  The first goal also wasn't great, sure it was a breakaway, but Nyquist didn't get a great shot off, Reimer had it then knocked it in himself with the stick.  Contrast that to Kessel's breakaway on Howard, he had a much more difficult shot on net and Howard made the save.  Moments like that make or break a game.

But it's more or less luck that one is a save and one isn't.

Reimer got the shot on the breakaway, that should have been stopped.  It hit him and then trickled in.

So I'm confused. Are you blaming Reimer or physics?

 

[Zee]

Randy's right. Other than some highlight reel saves, he was 'just alright' for the majority of the game last night. That second goal was a back breaker.

You mean that absolutely perfectly placed shot that went post and in?

Perfect shot that went right by Reimer.  The first goal also wasn't great, sure it was a breakaway, but Nyquist didn't get a great shot off, Reimer had it then knocked it in himself with the stick.  Contrast that to Kessel's breakaway on Howard, he had a much more difficult shot on net and Howard made the save.  Moments like that make or break a game.

But it's more or less luck that one is a save and one isn't.

Reimer got the shot on the breakaway, that should have been stopped.  It hit him and then trickled in.

So I'm confused. Are you blaming Reimer or physics?

Reimer was way too far back in the net when he made the save.  Had he been more out and challenging that puck never goes in as the d was rushing back and tried to clear it before it went in.  Physics has got nothing to do with him not challenging more.

He's sliding right into the net here.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

A good breakdown of how awful that final faceoff set-up was:

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/3/19/5524508/Leafs-suck-at-running-set-plays

I pointed out a couple of things that I didn't like about it as it happened, but I never really noticed that nobody was on Kessel's side to run interference in case he got a chance to shoot. Even my ball hockey team is smart enough to do things like that.

I also do disagree with the author about how the face-off should have gone. I think it should have been Bozak taking the draw but trying to win it on his backhand to Phaneuf who would have been behind him to the right. He would have had a one-timer from a better angle by doing that. There also would have been a lot more bodies in front of him to a) provide a screen and b) run interference on Wings players.

 

[Bullfrog]

I think he's trying to break up Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis, probably for his own selfish agenda.

I'm more of a Donna Pinciotti type.

You're insane.

Insanely good judge of female beauty?

 

[Tigger]

The coaching staff has contributed to my own concerns about the success of the team but so to has the talent level on the roster, in fact, more so the latter.

Make the team better, better results will follow, fire the coach, pretty much the same results will follow on balance.

Getting the team to a roughly league average defensive performance - which they should absolutely be able to do with the talent on the roster - would cut down 30-40 goals off their current goals against if they maintained their current Sv% (which, with less shots against, shouldn't be a problem - in fact, they could even see it improve slightly). That's about half a goal a game, and would put them in the top 8-10 teams in the league in that category. The talent really isn't the issue. It's how they're deployed.

We're going to disagree on this one, top 8? Not with this roster right now. They could be better, sure, but certainly not fire the coach better, they aren't that good.

 

[bustaheims]

We're going to disagree on this one, top 8? Not with this roster right now. They could be better, sure, but certainly not fire the coach better, they aren't that good.

I'm not making this up. If the Leafs cut their shots against to roughly the league average - something this group should absolutely be capable of - with their current goaltending, their GA/G would be in the top 8-10 in the league.