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Luongo

Nik? said:
As mentioned, that isn't true. Players get a fixed percentage of leaguewide revenue. A higher floor means a lower ceiling.

Or money lost to escrow. Either way, a higher floor offers absolutely no benefit to the players.
 
bustaheims said:
Nik? said:
As mentioned, that isn't true. Players get a fixed percentage of leaguewide revenue. A higher floor means a lower ceiling.

Or money lost to escrow. Either way, a higher floor offers absolutely no benefit to the players.

I hadn't even thought of this side of the CBA yet but you both make a valid poiont.  I agree with you.
 
cw said:
Zee said:
I hope LA wins the Cup on Saturday so Burke can announce this trade on Sunday.

:)

Why would he have to wait until then?

Because a Leafs trade of that magnitude would overshadow the hockey news of LA / Jersey in the finals.  People would actually care about the Leafs trade, as opposed to not caring about the stanley cup finals.  Burke is nothing if not respectful :)
 
KW Sluggo said:
bustaheims said:
Deebo said:
How many of these things are the owners actually going to get?

According to the posters here they want to put tighter restrictions on retirement deals, stop AHL contracts coming off the cap, lower floor, lower revenue split to the players.

I can't see the PA just rolling over and taking all this.

The owners will have to prioritize what they want.

I doubt the PA fights too hard about the cap floor, if at all. The players' share of revenue is fixed at whatever percentage they negotiate to, regardless of where team payrolls are at. It really won't matter to them all that much (from a CBA negotiation standpoint) if one team has a payroll of $30M and another has one of $70M as long as, as a group, they're getting every penny they're entitled to. The PA has also essentially agreed to tightened restrictions on retirement deals with the Kovalchuk rule.

The only really contentious issue you raise there is the lower revenue split, which will likely be the only serious obstacle in these negotiations. Unfortunately, it's significant enough an issue that it could result in a work stoppage of some kind if neither side is willing to budge on it.

I disagree, I think the NHLPA will fight quite hard for the cap floor. After all if more teams have to spend up to a higher minimum team salary level, it will mean more money in the pockets of individual players who otherwise would get a lot less. Ideally I would suppose that the extra cash would be spread among non star players but experience shows that it tends to mean larger contracts to star players (up to the maximum allowed, that is).

To express it another way than those above because it seems to be a common misconception:

If you took the cap, the floor and all the contracts of last year and got the NHLPA to agree to divide them by a million such that instead of Kessel making $5.4 mil and Rosehill making $600k, Kessel was contracted to make five dollars and forty cents and Rosehill 60 cents and the Leafs cap limit was sixty three dollars and thirty cents, if you think Kessel's or Rosehill's bank accounts would experience any material difference at the end of this past season under the present CBA, you'd basically be wrong.

The league revenues have been projected as $3.3 billion this year. The players get 57% of that no matter what the cap and floor are. Kessel's contract of $5.4 mil will deliver 5-10% more than that because league revenues are projected to exceed the projected revenue number used to calculate the cap by roughly that much. Kessel's contract really represents his proportional share of the NHLPA revenue pie divided up among the players.

The cap floor is meaningful for competitive balance and trying to keep the small market teams honest in revenue sharing but it isn't of great interest to the NHLPA in direct terms of what their players will deposit in their bank accounts. Indirectly, competitive balance is more likely than not to have a positive impact on league revenues so it helps the out players that way but it is far, far from the top priority of their haggle list for the next CBA.
 
Zee said:
cw said:
Zee said:
I hope LA wins the Cup on Saturday so Burke can announce this trade on Sunday.

:)

Why would he have to wait until then?

Because a Leafs trade of that magnitude would overshadow the hockey news of LA / Jersey in the finals.  People would actually care about the Leafs trade, as opposed to not caring about the stanley cup finals.  Burke is nothing if not respectful :)

:)
 
Zee said:
I hope LA wins the Cup on Saturday so Burke can announce this trade on Sunday.
I hope this doesn't happen and Burke sticks to his guns by not giving or aquiring bogus long term contracts especially for old players.
 
Rumours and specualtion... Panthers want Luongo...

So the Florida Panthers want Roberto Luongo, ESPN.com's Pierre Lebrun said on TSN 1050, and the Vancouver Canucks would be happy to do it at the right price. Now that's obviously interesting because it may be prospect Jacob Markstrom -- who may have started next season -- could become available. It's also interesting because the Tampa Bay Lightning and Columbus Blue Jackets still need a goalie and they could push up the price on Luongo.

That said, the Panthers have some very strong pieces to offer, especially when it comes to prospects. They likely won't part with Jonathan Huberdeau or Erik Gudbranson. But they may be open to moving guys like Quinton Howden, Rocco Grimaldi, Nick Bjugstad and John MacFarland. That's quite an array of prospects to use as ammo to nab Luongo from the Canucks.



Source:  ESPN
 
So who to believe, I've heard all sorts of relatively reputable reporters say Florida isn't interested in Luongo as well.
 
Ah, Lebrun has also said the Canucks aren't interested in a soft deal like the one Florida would likely want to make, ie, money going back.
 
Tigger said:
Ah, Lebrun has also said the Canucks aren't interested in a soft deal like the one Florida would likely want to make, ie, money going back.

Then the Canucks may have to accept less value or deal Schneider instead.
 
bustaheims said:
Tigger said:
Ah, Lebrun has also said the Canucks aren't interested in a soft deal like the one Florida would likely want to make, ie, money going back.

Then the Canucks may have to accept less value or deal Schneider instead.

Probably, yeah. I suppose it doesn't matter until Gillis and Luongo get on the same page anyways.
 
Tigger said:
Probably, yeah. I suppose it doesn't matter until Gillis and Luongo get on the same page anyways.

My guess is, privately, they already know which direction they're going and that they already have similar views of what the next step is. I think everything we've seen is just posturing, one way or the other.
 
Take it for what it's worth but Chanel 11(Hamilton) just stated that unconfirmed reports on twitter that Luongo has been traded to the Leafs. No other info.
 
soc7 said:
Take it for what it's worth but Chanel 11(Hamilton) just stated that unconfirmed reports on twitter that Luongo has been traded to the Leafs. No other info.

I love the "unconfirmed reports on twitter".  The best kind!
 
Zee said:
soc7 said:
Take it for what it's worth but Chanel 11(Hamilton) just stated that unconfirmed reports on twitter that Luongo has been traded to the Leafs. No other info.

I love the "unconfirmed reports on twitter".  The best kind!

They really are one step down from "I saw it written on some toilet paper this morning, but it was dark in my bathroom and could have been something else."
 
Corn Flake said:
Zee said:
soc7 said:
Take it for what it's worth but Chanel 11(Hamilton) just stated that unconfirmed reports on twitter that Luongo has been traded to the Leafs. No other info.

I love the "unconfirmed reports on twitter".  The best kind!

They really are one step down from "I saw it written on some toilet paper this morning, but it was dark in my bathroom and could have been something else."

Until it's reported by some more reputable source, say, Eklund, I won't believe it.  ;)
 
Zee said:
Corn Flake said:
Zee said:
soc7 said:
Take it for what it's worth but Chanel 11(Hamilton) just stated that unconfirmed reports on twitter that Luongo has been traded to the Leafs. No other info.

I love the "unconfirmed reports on twitter".  The best kind!

They really are one step down from "I saw it written on some toilet paper this morning, but it was dark in my bathroom and could have been something else."

Until it's reported by some more reputable source, say, Eklund, I won't believe it.  ;)

Did it unconfirm who was heading to Vancouver? 
 
I would like to unconfirm that there are players about to be traded to an undisclosed team. I am hearing this from a source's untrusted source who just created a twitter account 11 minutes ago. He says he is a player although his avatar is an egg right now. This is IMMINENT.
 
Speaking of Luongo, this was a fun read: http://vansunsportsblogs.com/2012/06/07/pitb-chats-with-twitter-superstar-strombone1-who-may-or-may-not-be-roberto-luongo/
 

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