Marner signs 6 year, $10.893mil AAV contract

[disco]

https://twitter.com/Steve_Dangle/status/1172714699860914177

 

[Bullfrog]

I'm a bit stunned by the AAV, but definitely glad he's here for at least another six years. I'm not optimistic he can keep up the pace points-wise, but 80 points would still be elite territory.

 

[Peter D.]

I'm a bit stunned by the AAV, but definitely glad he's here for at least another six years. I'm not optimistic he can keep up the pace points-wise, but 80 points would still be elite territory.

I actually think he gets close to 100, and cracks it at least once. All the while leading the team in points in three of the next five years.

 

[hockeyfan1]

They could and they did.

Congratulations, Mitchell.  We love ?ya...er...the GIFS that is! 

 

[hockeyfan1]

Among the elite:

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[princedpw]

Huh, so after all that posturing a reasonably equitable deal got done without Marner really missing any time. And all of the talk in the media proved to be just tactics.

I said in the now locked "Contracts for the Big 3" thread that 27 million for Nylander, Matthews and Marner combined might be optimistic. Turns out that was right but I was wrong about how I thought it'd be divided. I thought Matthews would get more than McDavid and Marner would be the team friendly one.

Eh, either way the three are signed long term and that's good enough for me. The few million more than most thought isn't going to make or break the club.

Yup, your aggregate estimates were pretty good.

It?s not a black and white kind of thing in terms of making or breaking the club but it does put them at a competitive disadvantage against Tampa.  Tampa gets to add a player like MacDonough vs a replacement-level guy on the leafs with their savings on Stamkos/Kucherov vs Matthews/Marner.  At least until that Vasilevsky contract kicks in.

But it is what it is. It?s nice to have a few players at the top of the league for once in my lifetime.  Let?s hope they stay healthy.

 

[princedpw]

For me, the bottom line is that I get to watch the 4 best individual talents the Leafs have ever iced at once play together for at least 5 years.  That's worth a lot as a fan.  A helluva lot, actually.  In my job I deal with bad news all the time, so I want to be entertained when I watch hockey.  These guys pretty much guarantee it.

This is the attitude. Let?s all go and watch some fun YouTube clips

 

[OldTimeHockey]

So can someone explain to me why RFA Mitch Marner is paid $1.5 million more per year, on a shorter contract, than Kucherov? Can we officially say that Dubas is a good scout but a terrible negotiator?

One doesn't have anything to do with the other?
I mean i guess your argument would hold water if Kucherov signed his contract yesterday.

 

[Bates]

So can someone explain to me why RFA Mitch Marner is paid $1.5 million more per year, on a shorter contract, than Kucherov? Can we officially say that Dubas is a good scout but a terrible negotiator?

One doesn't have anything to do with the other?
I mean i guess your argument would hold water if Kucherov signed his contract yesterday.

Yeah that 14 months has seen a 20% rise in salaries.

 

[mr grieves]

It?s not a black and white kind of thing in terms of making or breaking the club but it does put them at a competitive disadvantage against Tampa.  Tampa gets to add a player like MacDonough vs a replacement-level guy on the leafs with their savings on Stamkos/Kucherov vs Matthews/Marner.  At least until that Vasilevsky contract kicks in.

That's the bottom line here, for me.

However one views Marner's contract in isolation or versus comparables, there's a team-wide allocation of cap dollars here. The salary structure the Leafs have now got is not one that's ever been seen in the Stanley Cup Finals. That's concerning.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

The salary structure the Leafs have now got is not one that's ever been seen in the Stanley Cup Finals. That's concerning.

Not going to argue the numbers, but the doesn't the makeup of the team sort of resemble the 16/17 penguins stanley cup teams? High quality top forwards, one or two top defencemen, a good goalie, and a mishmash of spare parts for the bottom part of the lineup?

 

[Highlander]

Mitch read the open letter and within three days, chose not to go over the tipping point.   Now let's go get the Cup.

 

[Bender]

The salary structure the Leafs have now got is not one that's ever been seen in the Stanley Cup Finals. That's concerning.

Not going to argue the numbers, but the doesn't the makeup of the team sort of resemble the 16/17 penguins stanley cup teams? High quality top forwards, one or two top defencemen, a good goalie, and a mishmash of spare parts for the bottom part of the lineup?

I feel like over the last few years the narratives surrounding what it takes to win a cup have been quashed by the SC winning teams.

 

[mr grieves]

The salary structure the Leafs have now got is not one that's ever been seen in the Stanley Cup Finals. That's concerning.

Not going to argue the numbers, but the doesn't the makeup of the team sort of resemble the 16/17 penguins stanley cup teams? High quality top forwards, one or two top defencemen, a good goalie, and a mishmash of spare parts for the bottom part of the lineup?

Yes, that'd be the model the Leafs are aiming at. But, with their high-quality top forwards under big contracts, the Penguins didn't win until they made some moves for secondary talent and quality depth -- and they could only do that after a couple years passed and the cap rose to push the C.H.% of their top talent down, which gave them the space to add.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

So can someone explain to me why RFA Mitch Marner is paid $1.5 million more per year, on a shorter contract, than Kucherov? Can we officially say that Dubas is a good scout but a terrible negotiator?

One doesn't have anything to do with the other?
I mean i guess your argument would hold water if Kucherov signed his contract yesterday.

Yeah that 14 months has seen a 20% rise in salaries.

Hey the fact that Kucherov is a steal doesn't make Marner a rip off.
Sure it's a tad high but comparing it to what might be considered one of the better deals in the game is a little bit of a stretch.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

The salary structure the Leafs have now got is not one that's ever been seen in the Stanley Cup Finals. That's concerning.

Not going to argue the numbers, but the doesn't the makeup of the team sort of resemble the 16/17 penguins stanley cup teams? High quality top forwards, one or two top defencemen, a good goalie, and a mishmash of spare parts for the bottom part of the lineup?

Yes, that'd be the model the Leafs are aiming at. But, with their high-quality top forwards under big contracts, the Penguins didn't win until they made some moves for secondary talent and quality depth -- and they could only do that after a couple years passed and the cap rose to push the C.H.% of their top talent down, which gave them the space to add.

The leafs secondary talent moves have admittedly been on the back end, not up front - but the ability to keep Johnsson and Kapanen was no small feat. I think the makeup is similar in terms of positional strength and weaknesses, the only difference being the average age.

 

[Strangelove]

So can someone explain to me why RFA Mitch Marner is paid $1.5 million more per year, on a shorter contract, than Kucherov? Can we officially say that Dubas is a good scout but a terrible negotiator?

One doesn't have anything to do with the other?
I mean i guess your argument would hold water if Kucherov signed his contract yesterday.

Yeah that 14 months has seen a 20% rise in salaries.

Hey the fact that Kucherov is a steal doesn't make Marner a rip off.
Sure it's a tad high but comparing it to what might be considered one of the better deals in the game is a little bit of a stretch.

Marner is pretty grossly overpaid as a RFA relative to just about any possible comparator you could come up with.

Like at least 2 million/year and probably more. He?s a great player but that doesn?t mean any old contract is a good contract. And it?s an unforced error because he literally cannot play anywhere else.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

The salary structure the Leafs have now got is not one that's ever been seen in the Stanley Cup Finals. That's concerning.

Not going to argue the numbers, but the doesn't the makeup of the team sort of resemble the 16/17 penguins stanley cup teams? High quality top forwards, one or two top defencemen, a good goalie, and a mishmash of spare parts for the bottom part of the lineup?

Yes, that'd be the model the Leafs are aiming at. But, with their high-quality top forwards under big contracts, the Penguins didn't win until they made some moves for secondary talent and quality depth -- and they could only do that after a couple years passed and the cap rose to push the C.H.% of their top talent down, which gave them the space to add.

Personally I think the team may see a better result this year and then have to take a step back as Muzzin and/or Barrie price themselves off the team.

 

[herman]

The real argument is that most RFA deals are gross underpays.

Yeah no other team has to do it, so it?s to Toronto?s current disadvantage, but Toronto has also locked up 3 of them for the next 5+ years with relatively clean sheets ahead while other teams have maybe one about to hit their old cap structures that are locked into veteran deals.

 

[Bullfrog]

The real argument is that most RFA deals are gross underpays.

Yeah no other team has to do it, so it?s to Toronto?s current disadvantage, but Toronto has also locked up 3 of them for the next 5+ years with relatively clean sheets ahead while other teams have maybe one about to hit their old cap structures that are locked into veteran deals.

Agreed, if we start viewing these players as free agents (which they are), we can get a better sense of the appropriate contract. As much as I'm a bit skeptical of his true impact and think the contract is a bit high, what else would a 22 year old 94-point player get as a free agent?