Matthews placed on IR

[Bill_Berg]

With the Leafs, they always underestimate these injuries.  Watch 4 weeks turn into 8

It says minimum 4 weeks, not exactly 4 weeks.

Which scares the hell out of me cause past history shows when the Leafs say "day to day" it turns into 2 weeks, I can only imagine what "minimum 4 weeks" means...hell it could be 6 months, still fits the minimum 4 weeks!

That they didn't say day-to-day, or ten days, this time may be an indication that they're moving towards providing more forward and accurate details.

 

[herman]

That they didn't say day-to-day, or ten days, this time may be an indication that they're moving towards providing more forward and accurate details.

Since Dubas was promoted, all injury reports have been reasonably specific (Matthews - shoulder, Dermott - illness, Andersen - knee). Per Justin Bourne, the medical staff does not consult with the coaching staff on their assessments, and merely provide their determinations.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1056930839970205697
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1056924607272378370

 

[Highlander]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1056930839970205697
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1056924607272378370

Thats the best news, no surgery, then you are talking around 6 months.  My son (as mentioned on another thread) just injured his shoulder at work. Had a fall.  Acute tendinitis in the left shoulder.  Minimum 2 months to get back to work.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Look on the bright side, they didn't say minimum 4 months!  :-X

Yes, let's look at the bright side:
- Babcock forced to not yo-yo Johnsson
- chance to see one of Moore, Grundstrom, Timashov, Marchment for parts of a month

I don't see them calling anyone up unless the guys here falter or someone else gets hurt. Would like to see these guys tho.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Look on the bright side, they didn't say minimum 4 months!  :-X

Yes, let's look at the bright side:
- Babcock forced to not yo-yo Johnsson
- chance to see one of Moore, Grundstrom, Timashov, Marchment for parts of a month

I don't see them calling anyone up unless the guys here falter or someone else gets hurt. Would like to see these guys tho.

I'd expect they won't have any callups for home games, but for road games, they'll bring someone along just in case someone gets sick/injured at the last minute.

 

[herman]

Look on the bright side, they didn't say minimum 4 months!  :-X

Yes, let's look at the bright side:
- Babcock forced to not yo-yo Johnsson
- chance to see one of Moore, Grundstrom, Timashov, Marchment for parts of a month

I don't see them calling anyone up unless the guys here falter or someone else gets hurt. Would like to see these guys tho.

I'd expect they won't have any callups for home games, but for road games, they'll bring someone along just in case someone gets sick/injured at the last minute.

Babcock said they're not calling anyone up at this time. "We have enough".

But down the schedule on the road, yeah. We hit the road for an extended stretch Nov 10 to 16.

 

[Zee]

Look on the bright side, they didn't say minimum 4 months!  :-X

Yes, let's look at the bright side:
- Babcock forced to not yo-yo Johnsson
- chance to see one of Moore, Grundstrom, Timashov, Marchment for parts of a month

I don't see them calling anyone up unless the guys here falter or someone else gets hurt. Would like to see these guys tho.

I'd expect they won't have any callups for home games, but for road games, they'll bring someone along just in case someone gets sick/injured at the last minute.

Babcock said they're not calling anyone up at this time. "We have enough".

But down the schedule on the road, yeah. We hit the road for an extended stretch Nov 10 to 16.

That includes the Kings/Sharks/Ducks west trip, but LA is godawful this year, and the Ducks are only winning cause Gibson is playing like Carey Price during his MVP season.  So that road trip doesn't scare me as much as it used to, notwithstanding the absence of Matthews and Nylander.

 

[princedpw]

That they didn't say day-to-day, or ten days, this time may be an indication that they're moving towards providing more forward and accurate details.

Since Dubas was promoted, all injury reports have been reasonably specific (Matthews - shoulder, Dermott - illness, Andersen - knee). Per Justin Bourne, the medical staff does not consult with the coaching staff on their assessments, and merely provide their determinations.

I heard that sports betting being legalized in the US may have something to do the injury specificity?

 

[Zee]

That they didn't say day-to-day, or ten days, this time may be an indication that they're moving towards providing more forward and accurate details.

Since Dubas was promoted, all injury reports have been reasonably specific (Matthews - shoulder, Dermott - illness, Andersen - knee). Per Justin Bourne, the medical staff does not consult with the coaching staff on their assessments, and merely provide their determinations.

I heard that sports betting being legalized in the US may have something to do the injury specificity?

100% correct.  In betting you have to know all the factors before you set the line and accept bets, so injury reports have to be transparent.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I heard that sports betting being legalized in the US may have something to do the injury specificity?

100% correct.  In betting you have to know all the factors before you set the line and accept bets, so injury reports have to be transparent.

Bettman says don't expect much change there:

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1056931534475804673

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I know that wasn't your point i just addressed, but it's a frustrating situation that has less frustrating realities than the ones we're currently faced with, namely, is Matthews injury prone or just not getting the Gretzky/Crosby treatment because he's a Leaf?

https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1056340247909462016

I have a hard time thinking anybody would have came away from that exact hit unscathed. Just two big bodies colliding and Trouba got him in the worst spot at the worst angle. Freeze it right at the point of contact and you could tell right away his shoulder probably separated or something. If I was gonna say thing, I'd say Matthews could have braced for the hit a little better. Not sure he even saw Trouba coming.

I'm with you, I don't think he saw Trouba coming.

The path of least resistance for shoulder dislocation is forward and down. Matthews was in the process of shooting - dropping his left shoulder and moving it forward with acceleration. That already puts him in a compromised position. I think that hit is moving along the same vector (driving his shoulder forward and down) and adds a lot more force to the equation.

I think it's just bad timing on Matthews' part, unfortunately, that led to his current injury. Given the angle of the hit, being in a compromised position, and being unaware/unable to protect himself were the biggest factors. I don't think 'injury prone' plays into this at all. And I think you're right, not may would have come away from that hit unscathed.

 

[Coco-puffs]

That includes the Kings/Sharks/Ducks west trip, but LA is godawful this year, and the Ducks are only winning cause Gibson is playing like Carey Price during his MVP season.  So that road trip doesn't scare me as much as it used to, notwithstanding the absence of Matthews and Nylander.

Agreed, its not an imposing road trip in terms of the teams they are playing (Sharks aside).  However, if someone wakes up with the flu one morning, its nearly impossible to get a callup out west in time.  Hence my comment that they will call someone up for the road trip. (IF Nylander isn't signed by then)

 

[Zee]

I heard that sports betting being legalized in the US may have something to do the injury specificity?

100% correct.  In betting you have to know all the factors before you set the line and accept bets, so injury reports have to be transparent.

Bettman says don't expect much change there:

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1056931534475804673

We'll see about that when Vegas starts to complain about injury reports while millions are at stake in gambling lines.

 

[sickbeast]

I guess the way to look at this is that it's good that it happened *now* and not at the end of the season or during the playoffs.  Hopefully the medical and training staff can find a way to make Matthews more resilient to these types of injuries.

On a personal level this is devastating for Auston Matthews.  He was cruising toward a Hart or Art Ross trophy this season.  It's a real shame for him.  But he will have many more runs at those.  Of that I am certain.

 

[cabber24]

I hate to say it but due to his injury history to date maybe this saves us substantially on a Matthews extension. If he scored 40-45-50 he would be a lot more entitled. No doubt he's getting paid but maybe less now.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

He was cruising toward a Hart or Art Ross trophy this season.

I know we were all excited about Matthews' start, and of course we had every reason to be, but there's a number of players absolutely crushing it right now. Rantanen, Malkin, and McDavid in particular might balk at your statement. All 3 have a higher PPG rate than Matthews, even if you don't count the Winnipeg game since he left it early. And there's a bunch more like Kane, MacKinnon, Bergeron, Aho, Panarin, Kuznetsov who were all scoring at almost his same pace.

In any event, it's probably better that he saves his first Art Ross season for after he's locked up long-term anyway.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Random, off-topic aside based off researching my last post: there's currently 60 players in the league who are scoring at a point-per-game rate right now (minimum 8 GP). That includes offensive dynamos like Chris Tierney and Timo Meier. Kyle Palmieri actually has the 4th highest PPG rate in the league right now at 1.63 (13 points in 8 games).

 

[cabber24]

Random, off-topic aside based off researching my last post: there's currently 60 players in the league who are scoring at a point-per-game rate right now (minimum 8 GP). That includes offensive dynamos like Chris Tierney and Timo Meier. Kyle Palmieri actually has the 4th highest PPG rate in the league right now at 1.63 (13 points in 8 games).

Good fantasy hockey goalies are hard to come by.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Random, off-topic aside based off researching my last post: there's currently 60 players in the league who are scoring at a point-per-game rate right now (minimum 8 GP). That includes offensive dynamos like Chris Tierney and Timo Meier. Kyle Palmieri actually has the 4th highest PPG rate in the league right now at 1.63 (13 points in 8 games).

Good fantasy hockey goalies are hard to come by.

Thankfully I've got John Gibson. With a save percentage like his he must have a winning record, right? Right?!