Matthews placed on IR

[LuncheonMeat]

Is that your medical opinion?? LOL

You don't think if scored 50 or won the Heart trophy it would make a difference? I do.

I tend to agree, it would be nice in negotiations when you can throw that in instead of "hey, look at my PPG while I wasn't injured".

But ultimately, I don't think it'll make a great deal of difference. If he wants McDavid money, he'll get it.

I think it depends on how well Matthews recovers and comes back from this.  He could start getting the reputation of being injury prone.  And that would absolutely lower his value in terms of a contract.  The team will know this via their medical people. For this to have happened to Matthews already three times at such a young age tells me that he is somehow physically prone to these types of injuries.

Is this your official medical opinion Dr. Sickbeast?

He's had a concussion and 2 (different shoulder) injuries.  I'd say both were a result of bad luck about how he got hit while it the process of shooting and doesn't necessarily mean he's more prone to these injuries than anyone else.  Maybe he puts himself into situations where he can get hit more often as opposed to a more perimeter player so the more he's hit the higher chance of something happening.  That said, there's no surgery required, and he's 21, I'm sure he can recover fully and carry on.

You don't need a medical opinion to see that getting body checked more often during a game could give you a higher potential of getting injured.  It doesn't necessarily mean you're more prone to injuries.

Isn't having the higher potential of injury exactly what the word prone means?

Prone
/prōn/Submit
adjective
1.
likely to or liable to suffer from, do, or experience something, typically something regrettable or unwelcome.

Risk and tendency are two different things.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Is that your medical opinion?? LOL

You don't think if scored 50 or won the Heart trophy it would make a difference? I do.

I tend to agree, it would be nice in negotiations when you can throw that in instead of "hey, look at my PPG while I wasn't injured".

But ultimately, I don't think it'll make a great deal of difference. If he wants McDavid money, he'll get it.

I think it depends on how well Matthews recovers and comes back from this.  He could start getting the reputation of being injury prone.  And that would absolutely lower his value in terms of a contract.  The team will know this via their medical people. For this to have happened to Matthews already three times at such a young age tells me that he is somehow physically prone to these types of injuries.

Is this your official medical opinion Dr. Sickbeast?

He's had a concussion and 2 (different shoulder) injuries.  I'd say both were a result of bad luck about how he got hit while it the process of shooting and doesn't necessarily mean he's more prone to these injuries than anyone else.  Maybe he puts himself into situations where he can get hit more often as opposed to a more perimeter player so the more he's hit the higher chance of something happening.  That said, there's no surgery required, and he's 21, I'm sure he can recover fully and carry on.

You don't need a medical opinion to see that getting body checked more often during a game could give you a higher potential of getting injured.  It doesn't necessarily mean you're more prone to injuries.

Isn't having the higher potential of injury exactly what the word prone means?

Prone
/prōn/Submit
adjective
1.
likely to or liable to suffer from, do, or experience something, typically something regrettable or unwelcome.

Risk and tendency are two different things.

I'm not sure what you mean. The definition doesn't say anything about tendency. Just that you're "likely to"

Isn't "highly probable" and "likely or liable" just about the same thing.

If I'm doing something while driving that makes it more probable that I crash, so much so that every 6 months or so, I take out a street sign does that not make me more prone to crashing my car?

 

[ZBBM]

  I think that style of play makes him prone to unexpectedly getting hit, which is the common denominator among his 2 shoulder injuries and the concussion. 

If memory serves, Reilly hit him and gave him his concussion so I guess you're right. Don't expect to get hit by your own teammate.

=Well done.  The other two, then.

 

[Highlander]

It was basically clarified today, if the shoulder takes a hit and doesn't damage the Labrum or Rotary cuff or break a bone, then it becomes an acute tendon problem which can and do fully heal. So the risk of an inherent problem does not exist. Just part of the punishment of hockey and flying at full speed.
He may want to add some of Kevlar into his shoulder protection.

 

[Zee]

Is that your medical opinion?? LOL

You don't think if scored 50 or won the Heart trophy it would make a difference? I do.

I tend to agree, it would be nice in negotiations when you can throw that in instead of "hey, look at my PPG while I wasn't injured".

But ultimately, I don't think it'll make a great deal of difference. If he wants McDavid money, he'll get it.

I think it depends on how well Matthews recovers and comes back from this.  He could start getting the reputation of being injury prone.  And that would absolutely lower his value in terms of a contract.  The team will know this via their medical people. For this to have happened to Matthews already three times at such a young age tells me that he is somehow physically prone to these types of injuries.

Is this your official medical opinion Dr. Sickbeast?

He's had a concussion and 2 (different shoulder) injuries.  I'd say both were a result of bad luck about how he got hit while it the process of shooting and doesn't necessarily mean he's more prone to these injuries than anyone else.  Maybe he puts himself into situations where he can get hit more often as opposed to a more perimeter player so the more he's hit the higher chance of something happening.  That said, there's no surgery required, and he's 21, I'm sure he can recover fully and carry on.

You don't need a medical opinion to see that getting body checked more often during a game could give you a higher potential of getting injured.  It doesn't necessarily mean you're more prone to injuries.

Isn't having the higher potential of injury exactly what the word prone means?

Prone
/prōn/Submit
adjective
1.
likely to or liable to suffer from, do, or experience something, typically something regrettable or unwelcome.

Risk and tendency are two different things.

I'm not sure what you mean. The definition doesn't say anything about tendency. Just that you're "likely to"

Isn't "highly probable" and "likely or liable" just about the same thing.

If I'm doing something while driving that makes it more probable that I crash, so much so that every 6 months or so, I take out a street sign does that not make me more prone to crashing my car?

The original question was asking if Mathews is more injury prone than other players based on some perceived physical shortcoming. I mentioned it was more bad luck than anything else and the way Matthews plays makes him get body checked more often than a perimeter player. I'm sure Matthews could cut the risk of injury down significantly if he never went to the front of the net, but then would he score more goals than any other player on the team and possibly any other player in the league? Probably not.  That being said I think he still plays the same way and we hope in the future someone doesn't get such a good hit on him while he's shooting

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/isuckatpicking/status/1057366498006642688

lol

 

[herman]

Isn't having the higher potential of injury exactly what the word prone means?

Prone
/prōn/Submit
adjective
1.
likely to or liable to suffer from, do, or experience something, typically something regrettable or unwelcome.

Risk and tendency are two different things.

I'm not sure what you mean. The definition doesn't say anything about tendency. Just that you're "likely to"

Isn't "highly probable" and "likely or liable" just about the same thing.

If I'm doing something while driving that makes it more probable that I crash, so much so that every 6 months or so, I take out a street sign does that not make me more prone to crashing my car?

This is maybe slicing things a little too finely in terms of semantics, but to me, prone refers to propensity, or an inherent attribute or characteristic that leaves the person or object susceptible to the unwelcome outcome.

An example that spells it out in my mind nicely would be the oxidation of steels.

A carbon steel is prone to rusting, while a stainless steel is resistant to rusting. Dunk a stainless steel into salt water or a strongish acid for a prolonged period of time and the probability of it rusting approaches 100% (due to opportunity). I don't think anyone would say the stainless steel is prone to rusting, but frequent exposure to a particular circumstance can cause it.

Translating this back to hockey:
Carbon Steel: Joffrey Lupul
Stainless Steel (perhaps): Auston Matthews

Salt Water Immersion Bath: Having the puck a lot, cutting into the slot, focusing on scoring.

The only injuries Matthews has suffered thus far are from unexpected body contact when he's caught in an awkward angle that would pretty much injure anybody in that position, but he is quite often in possession of the puck and contorting his body into certain angles to control or shoot the puck.

Probability (likelihood) = Propensity x Opportunity

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Isn't having the higher potential of injury exactly what the word prone means?

Prone
/prōn/Submit
adjective
1.
likely to or liable to suffer from, do, or experience something, typically something regrettable or unwelcome.

Risk and tendency are two different things.

I'm not sure what you mean. The definition doesn't say anything about tendency. Just that you're "likely to"

Isn't "highly probable" and "likely or liable" just about the same thing.

If I'm doing something while driving that makes it more probable that I crash, so much so that every 6 months or so, I take out a street sign does that not make me more prone to crashing my car?

This is maybe slicing things a little too finely in terms of semantics, but to me, prone refers to propensity, or an inherent attribute or characteristic that leaves the person or object susceptible to the unwelcome outcome.

An example that spells it out in my mind nicely would be the oxidation of steels.

A carbon steel is prone to rusting, while a stainless steel is resistant to rusting. Dunk a stainless steel into salt water or a strongish acid for a prolonged period of time and the probability of it rusting approaches 100% (due to opportunity). I don't think anyone would say the stainless steel is prone to rusting, but frequent exposure to a particular circumstance can cause it.

Translating this back to hockey:
Carbon Steel: Joffrey Lupul
Stainless Steel (perhaps): Auston Matthews

Salt Water Immersion Bath: Having the puck a lot, cutting into the slot, focusing on scoring.

The only injuries Matthews has suffered thus far are from unexpected body contact when he's caught in an awkward angle that would pretty much injure anybody in that position, but he is quite often in possession of the puck and contorting his body into certain angles to control or shoot the puck.

Probability (likelihood) = Propensity x Opportunity

I liked my explanation better. 

 

[BrownRolo]

Isn't having the higher potential of injury exactly what the word prone means?

Prone
/prōn/Submit
adjective
1.
likely to or liable to suffer from, do, or experience something, typically something regrettable or unwelcome.

Risk and tendency are two different things.

I'm not sure what you mean. The definition doesn't say anything about tendency. Just that you're "likely to"

Isn't "highly probable" and "likely or liable" just about the same thing.

If I'm doing something while driving that makes it more probable that I crash, so much so that every 6 months or so, I take out a street sign does that not make me more prone to crashing my car?

This is maybe slicing things a little too finely in terms of semantics, but to me, prone refers to propensity, or an inherent attribute or characteristic that leaves the person or object susceptible to the unwelcome outcome.

An example that spells it out in my mind nicely would be the oxidation of steels.

A carbon steel is prone to rusting, while a stainless steel is resistant to rusting. Dunk a stainless steel into salt water or a strongish acid for a prolonged period of time and the probability of it rusting approaches 100% (due to opportunity). I don't think anyone would say the stainless steel is prone to rusting, but frequent exposure to a particular circumstance can cause it.

Translating this back to hockey:
Carbon Steel: Joffrey Lupul
Stainless Steel (perhaps): Auston Matthews

Salt Water Immersion Bath: Having the puck a lot, cutting into the slot, focusing on scoring.

The only injuries Matthews has suffered thus far are from unexpected body contact when he's caught in an awkward angle that would pretty much injure anybody in that position, but he is quite often in possession of the puck and contorting his body into certain angles to control or shoot the puck.

Probability (likelihood) = Propensity x Opportunity

Matthews is prone to putting his body in awkward/vulnerable positions leading to injuries.

Is that better?

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Isn't having the higher potential of injury exactly what the word prone means?

Prone
/prōn/Submit
adjective
1.
likely to or liable to suffer from, do, or experience something, typically something regrettable or unwelcome.

Risk and tendency are two different things.

I'm not sure what you mean. The definition doesn't say anything about tendency. Just that you're "likely to"

Isn't "highly probable" and "likely or liable" just about the same thing.

If I'm doing something while driving that makes it more probable that I crash, so much so that every 6 months or so, I take out a street sign does that not make me more prone to crashing my car?

This is maybe slicing things a little too finely in terms of semantics, but to me, prone refers to propensity, or an inherent attribute or characteristic that leaves the person or object susceptible to the unwelcome outcome.

An example that spells it out in my mind nicely would be the oxidation of steels.

A carbon steel is prone to rusting, while a stainless steel is resistant to rusting. Dunk a stainless steel into salt water or a strongish acid for a prolonged period of time and the probability of it rusting approaches 100% (due to opportunity). I don't think anyone would say the stainless steel is prone to rusting, but frequent exposure to a particular circumstance can cause it.

Translating this back to hockey:
Carbon Steel: Joffrey Lupul
Stainless Steel (perhaps): Auston Matthews

Salt Water Immersion Bath: Having the puck a lot, cutting into the slot, focusing on scoring.

The only injuries Matthews has suffered thus far are from unexpected body contact when he's caught in an awkward angle that would pretty much injure anybody in that position, but he is quite often in possession of the puck and contorting his body into certain angles to control or shoot the puck.

Probability (likelihood) = Propensity x Opportunity

I know. I was just being a dick really.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Mirtle asked a highly regarded medical professional with  extensive knowledge  of shoulder injuries such as  Matthews'.  No worse than a first or second degree sprain which in time should heal well enough without giving Matthews any long-term problems associated with his play.

"They?re talking about the AC joint,? said Dr. Ron Noy, a highly regarded orthopedic surgeon based out of Manhattan who has treated many NHL players with shoulder injuries over the years. ?It?s a grade one or two sprain for the most part in professional athletes. You?re just waiting for the inflammation to come down, and it should be fine.?

For the rest of the story:
[tweet]1057249009234898945[/tweet]

 

[princedpw]

Mirtle asked a highly regarded medical professional with  extensive knowledge  of shoulder injuries such as  Matthews'.  No worse than a first or second degree sprain which in time should heal well enough without giving Matthews any long-term problems associated with his play.

"They?re talking about the AC joint,? said Dr. Ron Noy, a highly regarded orthopedic surgeon based out of Manhattan who has treated many NHL players with shoulder injuries over the years. ?It?s a grade one or two sprain for the most part in professional athletes. You?re just waiting for the inflammation to come down, and it should be fine.?

For the rest of the story:
[tweet]1057249009234898945[/tweet]

Yeah, this is a great article.  According to the author?s sources, the injury is unlikely to have any negative future effects.

 

[sickbeast]

Is the author of the article a doctor?  Because apparently it's a big deal that I don't have my medical license seeing as I opined on this matter.  :-X

 

[princedpw]

Is the author of the article a doctor?  Because apparently it's a big deal that I don't have my medical license seeing as I opined on this matter.  :-X

Not a big deal. You can opine on anything you?d like But he did ask a doctor. That?s why I?d trust what he says.

 

[sickbeast]

Is the author of the article a doctor?  Because apparently it's a big deal that I don't have my medical license seeing as I opined on this matter.  :-X

Not a big deal. You can opine on anything you?d like But he did ask a doctor. That?s why I?d trust what he says.

I appreciate that, your Majesty. 

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1059454878496505857

 

[Foreign Corresppondent]

Is that your medical opinion?? LOL

You don't think if scored 50 or won the Heart trophy it would make a difference? I do.

I tend to agree, it would be nice in negotiations when you can throw that in instead of "hey, look at my PPG while I wasn't injured".

But ultimately, I don't think it'll make a great deal of difference. If he wants McDavid money, he'll get it.

I think it depends on how well Matthews recovers and comes back from this.  He could start getting the reputation of being injury prone.  And that would absolutely lower his value in terms of a contract.  The team will know this via their medical people. For this to have happened to Matthews already three times at such a young age tells me that he is somehow physically prone to these types of injuries.

Is this your official medical opinion Dr. Sickbeast?

He's had a concussion and 2 (different shoulder) injuries.  I'd say both were a result of bad luck about how he got hit while it the process of shooting and doesn't necessarily mean he's more prone to these injuries than anyone else.  Maybe he puts himself into situations where he can get hit more often as opposed to a more perimeter player so the more he's hit the higher chance of something happening.  That said, there's no surgery required, and he's 21, I'm sure he can recover fully and carry on.

You don't need a medical opinion to see that getting body checked more often during a game could give you a higher potential of getting injured.  It doesn't necessarily mean you're more prone to injuries.

Isn't having the higher potential of injury exactly what the word prone means?

Prone
/prōn/Submit
adjective
1.
likely to or liable to suffer from, do, or experience something, typically something regrettable or unwelcome.

Risk and tendency are two different things.

I'm not sure what you mean. The definition doesn't say anything about tendency. Just that you're "likely to"

Isn't "highly probable" and "likely or liable" just about the same thing.

If I'm doing something while driving that makes it more probable that I crash, so much so that every 6 months or so, I take out a street sign does that not make me more prone to crashing my car?

The original question was asking if Mathews is more injury prone than other players based on some perceived physical shortcoming. I mentioned it was more bad luck than anything else and the way Matthews plays makes him get body checked more often than a perimeter player. I'm sure Matthews could cut the risk of injury down significantly if he never went to the front of the net, but then would he score more goals than any other player on the team and possibly any other player in the league? Probably not.  That being said I think he still plays the same way and we hope in the future someone doesn't get such a good hit on him while he's shooting

This needs a comprehensive vote from folks here. When your bread and butter is where Matthews' is, at what point do you start wondering if he'll ever finish a full season? He is guaranteed to get decked on a much more regular basis than any comparable player. So do you change the style, or keep on the conditioning road?

I honeatly don't see a clear winner in there.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1062091286176423936

Exactly two weeks since he was placed on the IR and Matthews is travelling on the road with the team. His return isn't imminent or anything but that's got to be an encouraging sign. Dreger also said on the radio today that he didn't expect him to be out for the full 4 weeks that the original estimate said.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

Dreger also said on the radio today that he didn't expect him to be out for the full 4 weeks that the original estimate said.

But I've had it on good authority from all the big posters here that Dreger is a terrible insider and is terrible. So surely he can't be correct.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/sunhornby/status/1062134386642976769