Matthias to Avs for Colin Smith and a 4th round pick

[disco]

Mark Hunter and Kyle Dubas checking their draft tickets like:

 

[Britishbulldog]

does anyone have a list of the 2016 draft picks the Leafs own now ? It's probably gonna get bigger this week...

I track them here:
http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/toronto-maple-leafs

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Tank Commander Lamoriello: "Oh you think you can score? Pack your bags!"

 

[sickbeast]

Finally it's looking like the Leafs are all in with the tank.

 

[Al14]

Finally it's looking like the Leafs are all in with the tank.

Yeah, all they need to do now is trade Reimer and Bernier.  Then, they'll look like they're tanking hard for Mathews just like Buffalo tanked hard for McDavid. 

Let's hope we have better luck at the draft lottery than Buffalo had last year!  ???

 

[Zee]

Finally it's looking like the Leafs are all in with the tank.

Yeah, all they need to do now is trade Reimer and Bernier.  Then, they'll look like they're tanking hard for Mathews just like Buffalo tanked hard for McDavid.

Let's hope we have better luck at the draft lottery than Buffalo had last year!

My worst fear as a Leafs fan is they bottom out at #30 and then somehow end up in the #4 draft position.  That would drive me crazy.

 

[ZBBM]

Finally it's looking like the Leafs are all in with the tank.

Yeah, all they need to do now is trade Reimer and Bernier.  Then, they'll look like they're tanking hard for Mathews just like Buffalo tanked hard for McDavid.

Let's hope we have better luck at the draft lottery than Buffalo had last year!

My worst fear as a Leafs fan is they bottom out at #30 and then somehow end up in the #4 draft position.  That would drive me crazy.

Yep, and it's quite possible.  All this glib and gleeful talk about "tanking" is built on a pretty sandy foundation of hopeful thinking.

 

[Kin]

Yep, and it's quite possible.  All this glib and gleeful talk about "tanking" is built on a pretty sandy foundation of hopeful thinking.

Being as the draft lottery odds have been mentioned roughly a hundred billion times on here whenever the subject is discussed I don't think people advocating the tank are unaware of the realities of them. Tanking for the #1 spot gives the team the best shot at the highest possible pick.

To paraphrase Churchill, it's the worst possible outcome except for all of the others.

 

[bustaheims]

Yep, and it's quite possible.  All this glib and gleeful talk about "tanking" is built on a pretty sandy foundation of hopeful thinking.

Only if you really believe that the only successful outcome for "tanking" is the 1st overall pick instead of simply adding another top flight prospect to the organization. While we like to throw Matthews around as a name/goal, the reality is that it's always been about bringing in high-end talent, whether that comes from the #1 spot or the #5 spot, or anywhere in between.

 

[Al14]

Yep, and it's quite possible.  All this glib and gleeful talk about "tanking" is built on a pretty sandy foundation of hopeful thinking.

Only if you really believe that the only successful outcome for "tanking" is the 1st overall pick instead of simply adding another top flight prospect to the organization. While we like to throw Matthews around as a name/goal, the reality is that it's always been about bringing in high-end talent, whether that comes from the #1 spot or the #5 spot, or anywhere in between.

I would not be surprised if our management group has targeted someone other than Mathews to draft.  So, maybe getting the 1st overall pick is not as important to them.  However, with the trading of Phaneuf, and the lastest trades, it does appear that they're tanking for real. 

 

[cabber24]

Who is/was Matthias?

 

[ZBBM]

Yep, and it's quite possible.  All this glib and gleeful talk about "tanking" is built on a pretty sandy foundation of hopeful thinking.

Only if you really believe that the only successful outcome for "tanking" is the 1st overall pick instead of simply adding another top flight prospect to the organization. While we like to throw Matthews around as a name/goal, the reality is that it's always been about bringing in high-end talent, whether that comes from the #1 spot or the #5 spot, or anywhere in between.

Let's not kid ourselves ? for many people it's about bringing in that franchise player: the McDavid instead of the Hall, the RNH, still less the Yakupov.  That's what the hope really is.

And really, can anyone here say that they don't share Zee's worst fear?  I sure do.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Who is/was Matthias?

Tank repairman. He was expendable... for obvious reasons.

 

[cabber24]

Who is/was Matthias?

Tank repairman. He was expendable... for obvious reasons.

Hopefully clogged one of the holes in the tank.

 

[Kin]

Let's not kid ourselves ? for many people it's about bringing in that franchise player: the McDavid instead of the Hall, the RNH, still less the Yakupov.  That's what the hope really is.

All of those guys are #1 picks. I'd be pretty good with an Eichel, a Seguin or a Doughty too.

And really, can anyone here say that they don't share Zee's worst fear?  I sure do.

It's a possible outcome, sure, but it's not like anything they could do would make the possibility of something bad happening go away. Is it better to finish 2nd worst and maybe get the 5th pick?

 

[ZBBM]

Let's not kid ourselves ? for many people it's about bringing in that franchise player: the McDavid instead of the Hall, the RNH, still less the Yakupov.  That's what the hope really is.

All of those guys are #1 picks. I'd be pretty good with an Eichel, a Seguin or a Doughty too.

And really, can anyone here say that they don't share Zee's worst fear?  I sure do.

It's a possible outcome, sure, but it's not like anything they could do would make the possibility of something bad happening go away. Is it better to finish 2nd worst and maybe get the 5th pick?

That's my point -- only one of those #1s is going to turn out to be a franchise player.  Matthews is likely in that category.

And my comment is all about inflated hopes predicated on enduring an awful season.  I'm not saying people shouldn't hope; heck, that's what fans do.  Just be honest and realistic about what's at stake and what's possible, as Zee's comment was.

 

[Kin]

And my comment is all about inflated hopes predicated on enduring an awful season.  I'm not saying people shouldn't hope; heck, that's what fans do.  Just be honest and realistic about what's at stake and what's possible, as Zee's comment was.

Right and my comment was that I think the people who are talking about tanking are doing so while aware of the draft lottery odds. I have yet to hear anyone say that the Leafs are guaranteed Matthews if they finish last.

 

[Highlander]

Either of the two Finns would make me happy if we can't get Matthews

 

[herman]

Not getting Matthews would suck, but you don't need generational talent to win a team game -- it sure does help a lot though.

Not getting one of Laine, Puljujarvi, Tchachuk, Nylander, Chychrun, or Juolevi following a non-competitive season would be an incredible waste of a year. For me and my hope, the Tank isn't about Matthews specifically; it's about getting the best return on strategic investment.

 

[bustaheims]

Not getting Matthews would suck, but you don't need generational talent to win a team game -- it sure does help a lot though.

It does help, but, honestly, the list of teams with generational talent forwards who have won the Cup in the last 20 years is pretty slim. Having a number of "elite" but not necessarily generational talents is much more important.