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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:Zzzzzzz. This has gotten tedious. All the "insiders" speculation has amounted to exactly what it usually amounts to: a double helping of squat.
There isn't going to be any offer sheet. Never was going to be one.
Marner will sign before camp because Dubas knows now what a mistake it was to let Nylander drag on (and has all but said so).
End of non-story.
Zee said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:Zzzzzzz. This has gotten tedious. All the "insiders" speculation has amounted to exactly what it usually amounts to: a double helping of squat.
There isn't going to be any offer sheet. Never was going to be one.
Marner will sign before camp because Dubas knows now what a mistake it was to let Nylander drag on (and has all but said so).
End of non-story.
Mitch is holding his charity event thing tomorrow and Friday. That should be fun.
Highlander said:maybe he can have a self charity can set up for himself.
CarltonTheBear said:A friendly reminder that the following high-end players are also currently unsigned RFAs:
Brayden Point
Mikko Rantanen
Matthews Tkachuk
Kyle Connor
Brock Boeser
Patrik Laine
Jacob Trouba
Zachary Werenski
Charlie McAvoy
Ivan Provorov
Its even longer with the way the Jays are playing!Nik the Trik said:Beyond that there are lots of minor RFAs who aren't signed yet. It's almost like it's a long summer and there's no real rush.
Zee said:I wonder if this entire Marner situation is just the tip of the iceberg going forward for teams, cap issues and young players coming off ELC. I can see more and more teams facing this similar situation going forward so having a great cap-team together is key. I know many Leafs fans are upset that the Leafs are the team going through this, but maybe the Leafs are blazing the trail here on how things will be done in the future. Lessons learned might benefit this management team that other teams might not have learned yet. I guess we'll see, but I'm hopeful they can resolve Marner by Oct and keep this core together for relative long term.
princedpw said:Zee said:I wonder if this entire Marner situation is just the tip of the iceberg going forward for teams, cap issues and young players coming off ELC. I can see more and more teams facing this similar situation going forward so having a great cap-team together is key. I know many Leafs fans are upset that the Leafs are the team going through this, but maybe the Leafs are blazing the trail here on how things will be done in the future. Lessons learned might benefit this management team that other teams might not have learned yet. I guess we'll see, but I'm hopeful they can resolve Marner by Oct and keep this core together for relative long term.
I don?t think there?s any upside to this relative to signing them all to McKinnon/Pastrnak contracts.
From a point production standpoint, the collection of rookies the leafs had in a 2-year stretch produced at a historic rate. If the leafs had been able to lock them down to traditional RFA contracts, they would have had a massive built-in advantage over all other teams for 8 years. The situation was unique and it?s unlikely to be replicated for decades. It?s a big loss.
Zee said:princedpw said:Zee said:I wonder if this entire Marner situation is just the tip of the iceberg going forward for teams, cap issues and young players coming off ELC. I can see more and more teams facing this similar situation going forward so having a great cap-team together is key. I know many Leafs fans are upset that the Leafs are the team going through this, but maybe the Leafs are blazing the trail here on how things will be done in the future. Lessons learned might benefit this management team that other teams might not have learned yet. I guess we'll see, but I'm hopeful they can resolve Marner by Oct and keep this core together for relative long term.
I don?t think there?s any upside to this relative to signing them all to McKinnon/Pastrnak contracts.
From a point production standpoint, the collection of rookies the leafs had in a 2-year stretch produced at a historic rate. If the leafs had been able to lock them down to traditional RFA contracts, they would have had a massive built-in advantage over all other teams for 8 years. The situation was unique and it?s unlikely to be replicated for decades. It?s a big loss.
I don't think the Leafs are alone in teams that could have 2-3 star rookies coming up through the ranks. The trio of Matthews/Marner/Nylander were all acquired through great first round drafting at 1-4-8. I don't see why other teams scraping by right now can't hit on a bunch of picks in the top 10 as well.
From my understanding, heard Gord Miller talk about it, in order to use all of Horton's LTIR they must be over the cap by his total hit. If they're only over say by 4 mill, then they literally lose 1.3 mill off their cap space. In this case the Leafs cap would be 80,200,000 for the year so it is imperative that Marner signs before the start of the year and the Leafs get as close to the cap as possible, minus Horton.Bates said:Wouldn't this situation need to be done by Cap compliance day to take full advantage of Horton's LTIR? Or wouldn't there be even less Cap space available after that day?