Mitch Marner: what now?

[ZBBM]

This info is all from Dreger, so I wouldn't get too worked up about it just yet.

I will say this, though: if Marner leaves you and I and every other Leafs fan will spend the rest of our lives hearing a certain segment of the base complain along the lines of "I can't believe they kept Nylander and let Marner go!"  It may be worth it to overpay Mitch just to avoid that annoyance.

Ya this is all 'Dreger expects' not even 'Dreger heard'.

"Dreger [having been in continuous contact with Marner's camp for years now and understanding his agent's view of the player and the market] expects..."

I don't like Dreger, but he does usually seem to have pretty good access to and has been a reliable conduit for the thinking of some the least likable people around the Leafs org (ah, the Nonis years!).

Maybe, but my default position is speculo-Dreger and besides Can8899 says that LN may be misreading what he said.

Anyhoo, I'm going to continue to whistle my merry tune until told otherwise by reliable journos.

 

[Chris]

This info is all from Dreger, so I wouldn't get too worked up about it just yet.

I will say this, though: if Marner leaves you and I and every other Leafs fan will spend the rest of our lives hearing a certain segment of the base complain along the lines of "I can't believe they kept Nylander and let Marner go!"  It may be worth it to overpay Mitch just to avoid that annoyance.

Ya this is all 'Dreger expects' not even 'Dreger heard'.

"Dreger [having been in continuous contact with Marner's camp for years now and understanding his agent's view of the player and the market] expects..."

I don't like Dreger, but he does usually seem to have pretty good access to and has been a reliable conduit for the thinking of some the least likable people around the Leafs org (ah, the Nonis years!).

Maybe, but my default position is speculo-Dreger and besides Can8899 says that LN may be misreading what he said.

Anyhoo, I'm going to continue to whistle my merry tune until told otherwise by reliable journos.

I just listened to the interview and Dreger never said he "expects" negotiations to go past July 1. He said "if it goes by July 1 then the leverage 100% is on Marner's side." Also never said Marner is expected to visit other teams.

 

[Zee]

This info is all from Dreger, so I wouldn't get too worked up about it just yet.

I will say this, though: if Marner leaves you and I and every other Leafs fan will spend the rest of our lives hearing a certain segment of the base complain along the lines of "I can't believe they kept Nylander and let Marner go!"  It may be worth it to overpay Mitch just to avoid that annoyance.

Ya this is all 'Dreger expects' not even 'Dreger heard'.

"Dreger [having been in continuous contact with Marner's camp for years now and understanding his agent's view of the player and the market] expects..."

I don't like Dreger, but he does usually seem to have pretty good access to and has been a reliable conduit for the thinking of some the least likable people around the Leafs org (ah, the Nonis years!).

Maybe, but my default position is speculo-Dreger and besides Can8899 says that LN may be misreading what he said.

Anyhoo, I'm going to continue to whistle my merry tune until told otherwise by reliable journos.

I just listened to the interview and Dreger never said he "expects" negotiations to go past July 1. He said "if it goes by July 1 then the leverage 100% is on Marner's side." Also never said Marner is expected to visit other teams.

If it goes by July 1 and nobody offers Marner > $10.5 how is leverage 100% in Marners camp?

 

[Zee]

This info is all from Dreger, so I wouldn't get too worked up about it just yet.

I will say this, though: if Marner leaves you and I and every other Leafs fan will spend the rest of our lives hearing a certain segment of the base complain along the lines of "I can't believe they kept Nylander and let Marner go!"  It may be worth it to overpay Mitch just to avoid that annoyance.

Ya this is all 'Dreger expects' not even 'Dreger heard'.

"Dreger [having been in continuous contact with Marner's camp for years now and understanding his agent's view of the player and the market] expects..."

I don't like Dreger, but he does usually seem to have pretty good access to and has been a reliable conduit for the thinking of some the least likable people around the Leafs org (ah, the Nonis years!).

Maybe, but my default position is speculo-Dreger and besides Can8899 says that LN may be misreading what he said.

Anyhoo, I'm going to continue to whistle my merry tune until told otherwise by reliable journos.

I just listened to the interview and Dreger never said he "expects" negotiations to go past July 1. He said "if it goes by July 1 then the leverage 100% is on Marner's side." Also never said Marner is expected to visit other teams.

I just listened to the clip, he doesn't say "expects" using that work specifically but he absolutely says the Marner camp is looking towards July 1st and beyond July 1st and he'd "be shocked" if Marner isn't on a plane June 26th visiting other teams. So yeah in essence the article correctly spews Dreger's idiotic ramblings

 

[CarltonTheBear]

1.  I listened from the 5:50 mark on and Dreger absolutely did not say that the negotiations are expected to go past July 1st.  They might go that long but the article suggests that this is Marner Camp's desire.  In no way did Dreger say that Marner is interested in visiting other teams

Dreger said he believes the Marner camp is looking at July 1st or beyond... and that he'd be shocked if Marner's reps weren't visiting other cities starting June 26th.

 

[Guilt Trip]

This info is all from Dreger, so I wouldn't get too worked up about it just yet.

I will say this, though: if Marner leaves you and I and every other Leafs fan will spend the rest of our lives hearing a certain segment of the base complain along the lines of "I can't believe they kept Nylander and let Marner go!"  It may be worth it to overpay Mitch just to avoid that annoyance.

Ya this is all 'Dreger expects' not even 'Dreger heard'.

"Dreger [having been in continuous contact with Marner's camp for years now and understanding his agent's view of the player and the market] expects..."

I don't like Dreger, but he does usually seem to have pretty good access to and has been a reliable conduit for the thinking of some the least likable people around the Leafs org (ah, the Nonis years!).

Maybe, but my default position is speculo-Dreger and besides Can8899 says that LN may be misreading what he said.

Anyhoo, I'm going to continue to whistle my merry tune until told otherwise by reliable journos.

I just listened to the interview and Dreger never said he "expects" negotiations to go past July 1. He said "if it goes by July 1 then the leverage 100% is on Marner's side." Also never said Marner is expected to visit other teams.

If it goes by July 1 and nobody offers Marner > $10.5 how is leverage 100% in Marners camp?

because......well because.
We know the Leafs will match up to that 10.5 so there is absolutely no pressure on the Leafs. If someone goes under it, they match, over as in Matthews money and they decide. I think he's gone at that price. I really don't see anyone offering up 4 1st rounders for him, I just don't see it.

 

[Zee]

So, let's say Leafs won't go over $10 and Marner's camp gets 0 offers that are any better? Does this have the potential to be another December 1st deal?

 

[Guilt Trip]

So, let's say Leafs won't go over $10 and Marner's camp gets 0 offers that are any better? Does this have the potential to be another December 1st deal?

I doubt it. I think if a deal isn't done by training camp or shortly after, I think this time around the Leafs will let him sit the whole year. They also may have an internal time frame set that he needs to sign by. The Leafs have other players to sign as well so if Marner doesn't sign, they know Marleau comes off the books next year so they may sign Kappy, Johnsson and say a D man. There's no doubt in my mind that there is a backup plan in place so i don't see the Nylander scenario repeating.

 

[Kin]

So, let's say Leafs won't go over $10 and Marner's camp gets 0 offers that are any better? Does this have the potential to be another December 1st deal?

It's certainly possible. Or, more to the point, as with Nylander it's in the best interest of the Leafs to not close the door on any solution to a contract impasse.

But the people freaking out about this need to remember that no matter what the negotiating positions are and no matter what Marner's true intentions are about where he might be willing to play or what he'll accept there is going to be a lot of posturing done, some of it via the media, as both sides try to get the best deal they can. Nobody should pull their hair out over anything until it actually happens.

 

[Zee]

So, let's say Leafs won't go over $10 and Marner's camp gets 0 offers that are any better? Does this have the potential to be another December 1st deal?

It's certainly possible. Or, more to the point, as with Nylander it's in the best interest of the Leafs to not close the door on any solution to a contract impasse.

But the people freaking out about this need to remember that no matter what the negotiating positions are and no matter what Marner's true intentions are about where he might be willing to play or what he'll accept there is going to be a lot of posturing done, some of it via the media, as both sides try to get the best deal they can. Nobody should pull their hair out over anything until it actually happens.

I feel you.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

My issue with his camp using the media as a mouth piece as it begins to look a lot like bad faith negotiating.

I believe Dubas when he says he is ultimately looking for a fair deal that works for both parties.

The media posturing has to be taken with a pinch of salt of course, but it does sour me a little.

 

[Chris]

I just listened to the clip, he doesn't say "expects" using that work specifically but he absolutely says the Marner camp is looking towards July 1st and beyond July 1st and he'd "be shocked" if Marner isn't on a plane June 26th visiting other teams. So yeah in essence the article correctly spews Dreger's idiotic ramblings

We must be listening to different interviews.

Edit to add - yes, there are at least 2 different interviews out there and in one of them, he says what you have quoted. Not in the other, though.

 

[Kin]

My issue with his camp using the media as a mouth piece as it begins to look a lot like bad faith negotiating.

Honestly, at this point if an agent didn't try to negotiate with the Leafs through the media I'd think he wasn't really doing his job.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

My issue with his camp using the media as a mouth piece as it begins to look a lot like bad faith negotiating.

Honestly, at this point if an agent didn't try to negotiate with the Leafs through the media I'd think he wasn't really doing his job.

I don't really recall Matthews or Nylander's agents ever going this route, at least not to this extent. And they both still got fair deals for their clients.

 

[princedpw]

So, let's say Leafs won't go over $10 and Marner's camp gets 0 offers that are any better? Does this have the potential to be another December 1st deal?

It's certainly possible. Or, more to the point, as with Nylander it's in the best interest of the Leafs to not close the door on any solution to a contract impasse.

But the people freaking out about this need to remember that no matter what the negotiating positions are and no matter what Marner's true intentions are about where he might be willing to play or what he'll accept there is going to be a lot of posturing done, some of it via the media, as both sides try to get the best deal they can. Nobody should pull their hair out over anything until it actually happens.

I definitely agree that everyone?s just speculating. We don?t know Marner?s or Dubas?s intentions.

But I don?t believe it will go past the beginning of the season due to the way first-year cap hits are calculated on mid-season signings.  That first year cap hit increases every day into the season so delaying will just take away dollars under the cap that the leafs need to sign him.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

But I don?t believe it will go past the beginning of the season due to the way first-year cap hits are calculated on mid-season signings.  That first year cap hit increases every day into the season so delaying will just take away dollars under the cap that the leafs need to sign him.

This has been something that's been discussed before, and even I didn't quite get it at first, but a player who signs after the season starts only has an artificially high AAV. On a per-day basis (which is how the cap is calculated) it's the same as the rest of his contracts AAV.

 

[Zee]

My issue with his camp using the media as a mouth piece as it begins to look a lot like bad faith negotiating.

Honestly, at this point if an agent didn't try to negotiate with the Leafs through the media I'd think he wasn't really doing his job.

I don't really recall Matthews or Nylander's agents ever going this route, at least not to this extent. And they both still got fair deals for their clients.

I literally never recall hearing Matthews or Nylander's agents give interviews and aside from the rumblings that Nylander was looking for $8.5M, there was nothing like what we're seeing from the Marner camp.  The Matthews extension was handled as quietly as possible and it literally was just announced without much fan fair leading up to it.

 

[mr grieves]

My issue with his camp using the media as a mouth piece as it begins to look a lot like bad faith negotiating.

Honestly, at this point if an agent didn't try to negotiate with the Leafs through the media I'd think he wasn't really doing his job.

I don't really recall Matthews or Nylander's agents ever going this route, at least not to this extent. And they both still got fair deals for their clients.

Sorta makes me wonder if the agent isn't working the media in the hopes of creating a new perception of what constitutes a "fair deal."

 

[herman]

Marner's team loves drafting on other Leafs news/signings.

 

[Redleaf]

I'm wondering if anyone on this board thinks Marner will be playing with a different team, other than the Leafs next season?