mr grieves said:But I thought Nylander was looking like our Backstrom...?
We can have two Backstrom's!
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mr grieves said:But I thought Nylander was looking like our Backstrom...?
CarltonTheBear said:mr grieves said:But I thought Nylander was looking like our Backstrom...?
We can have two Backstrom's!
Nik the Trik said:CarltonTheBear said:mr grieves said:But I thought Nylander was looking like our Backstrom...?
We can have two Backstrom's!
The question is which one is our Nicklas Backstrom and which one is our Niklas Backstrom.
Nik the Trik said:CarltonTheBear said:mr grieves said:But I thought Nylander was looking like our Backstrom...?
We can have two Backstrom's!
The question is which one is our Nicklas Backstrom and which one is our Niklas Backstrom.
herman said:He's clearly being held back right now by Bozak and JvR.
Coco-puffs said:herman said:He's clearly being held back right now by Bozak and JvR.
What makes you think that? Bozak and JvR are pretty darn good offensively. The only way I see them holding him back is on the defensive end of things, where Marner seems to be the best of the three in his own end.
If you ask me, that's always been the rub with Bozak and JvR- they just aren't good defensively. Whether its Kessel or Marner, they (JvR and Bozak) compliment the star winger offensively but can become a bit of a shit-show in their own end. I think the only reason the JBM line aren't as bad as the JBK was, is the other team is more often focused on Matthews now and the Kadri line draws the toughest assignment.
herman said:http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/11/14/13608674/the-magic-of-mitch-marner-breaking-down-the-enchanting-rookie-s-game
GIF-heavy breakdown of Marner's game vs the Penguins.
Like he was with London, Marner seems to know where everyone is on the ice. He's clearly being held back right now by Bozak and JvR.
RedLeaf said:herman said:http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/11/14/13608674/the-magic-of-mitch-marner-breaking-down-the-enchanting-rookie-s-game
GIF-heavy breakdown of Marner's game vs the Penguins.
Like he was with London, Marner seems to know where everyone is on the ice. He's clearly being held back right now by Bozak and JvR.
I dont think I've ever read a second by second , breath by breath, shift by shift anaysis quite like this before. I'm as big of Marner fan as anyone. In fact, I've predicted he will be better than Matthews when all is said and done. But this writer needs to get a life. We don't need slow motion breakdown of his every movement on the ice to appreciate his talent.
Coco-puffs said:herman said:He's clearly being held back right now by Bozak and JvR.
What makes you think that? Bozak and JvR are pretty darn good offensively. The only way I see them holding him back is on the defensive end of things, where Marner seems to be the best of the three in his own end.
If you ask me, that's always been the rub with Bozak and JvR- they just aren't good defensively. Whether its Kessel or Marner, they (JvR and Bozak) compliment the star winger offensively but can become a bit of a shit-show in their own end. I think the only reason the JBM line aren't as bad as the JBK was, is the other team is more often focused on Matthews now and the Kadri line draws the toughest assignment.
herman said:Coco-puffs said:herman said:He's clearly being held back right now by Bozak and JvR.
What makes you think that? Bozak and JvR are pretty darn good offensively. The only way I see them holding him back is on the defensive end of things, where Marner seems to be the best of the three in his own end.
If you ask me, that's always been the rub with Bozak and JvR- they just aren't good defensively. Whether its Kessel or Marner, they (JvR and Bozak) compliment the star winger offensively but can become a bit of a shit-show in their own end. I think the only reason the JBM line aren't as bad as the JBK was, is the other team is more often focused on Matthews now and the Kadri line draws the toughest assignment.
Are they augmenting Marner's game in any way, or is it the other way around?
Coco-puffs said:herman said:Are they augmenting Marner's game in any way, or is it the other way around?
Of course Marner is having a bigger impact on them than they are having on him- that's what your BEST PLAYER does. Marner is our best forward offensively, and will continue to be our best forward offensively for a very long time. Matthews may become better overall and more impactful (due to position), but I don't think he's going to provide more offense than Marner.
Sidney Crosby is Pittsburgh's best player and has pretty much led the league in scoring over the last 10 years. Have Kunitz, Sheary, Hornqvist, etc "held him back"?
Mitch Marner is Top 40 in the NHL in 5 on 5 points per 60 minutes. All of his ES points have come with Bozak; JvR was on the ice for over 80% of those points. How are Bozak and JvR holding him back?
herman said:I think Marner's production would be higher with some other players. Bozak and JvR are not outright anchors, but are they the ideal complementary players that will help Marner achieve his potential?
From my perspective, Marner makes space for Bozak and JvR. Marner feeds their numbers; gets the puck for them; covers defensively for them. So it's a simple matter of resource allocation: Marner (because he's so good) is expending a good deal of time creating and covering for his linemates. Outside of that one game, the bulk of opportunities generated for Bozak and JvR seem to be wasted.
Coco-puffs said:Based on the Leafs roster, where the left wingers are Hyman, Komarov, JvR, and Martin (with Leivo/Holland in the pressbox) who would you rather have on Marner's Left wing?
As for his centerman. Kadri would be an upgrade on Bozak defensively, but offensively speaking they are not much different in terms of output and capability. Since Kadri draws the opposition top line as his assignment, I'd argue Marner would NOT be more productive since he'd have tougher competition each night.
Yes, Matthews would be an upgrade on Bozak offensively in terms of talent/skill. No question. However, Matthews draws the oppositions attention the most- he faces the shutdown players from the other team night in and night out and it has affected his production, even with a highly skilled player like Nylander on his wing. Hence, Marner would also face tougher competition by playing with Matthews and there is no guarantee his production would go up. I say all of the above believing that in the LONG RUN, I think Matthews and Marner should be the cornerstones of our top line. However, both need some time to develop before I'd expect MORE production out of Marner when they have to go out there and face the oppositions best players together.
As I stated before, with Marner essentially being on the third line right now (in terms of how tough the opposition they are facing), its no surprise that the Jvr-Bozak-Marner line is doing quite well 5 on 5. Move him up the lineup and you cannot guarantee his production would go up.
As you coach these young guys for the first time, were you surprised by many elements of Marner?s game?
Babcock: He?s a really talented guy. You look at all the kids in our lineup ? Carrick and Zaitsev and Hyman and Brown, and then the three guys that have elite skill ? he not only has the skill but he competes every night. He competes with and without the puck. That?s really positive. Obviously, some of those other guys have to compete ? that?s why we like them so much. But when you?ve got that much skill, you can float around a little bit and still be in the league. You?re not going to be good, but you?re going to be in the league. So he?s that competitive, he?s on the puck, he?s smart. Easy to talk to. Enjoys the game. Wants to get better.
herman said:https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2016/11/15/mike-babcock-on-mitch-marner-ive-never-coached-a-kid-that-good-that-young/
As you coach these young guys for the first time, were you surprised by many elements of Marner?s game?
Babcock: He?s a really talented guy. You look at all the kids in our lineup ? Carrick and Zaitsev and Hyman and Brown, and then the three guys that have elite skill ? he not only has the skill but he competes every night. He competes with and without the puck. That?s really positive. Obviously, some of those other guys have to compete ? that?s why we like them so much. But when you?ve got that much skill, you can float around a little bit and still be in the league. You?re not going to be good, but you?re going to be in the league. So he?s that competitive, he?s on the puck, he?s smart. Easy to talk to. Enjoys the game. Wants to get better.
Mitch Marner is the prototypical forward that Hunter has been picking and grooming: great hockey sense, skates well, has skills, will work. I, for one, would love to see a full lineup of these players, if not at the deadline this year, then next season when the cap space opens up.
The league is transitioning to a game where there's no such thing as having too many players with smarts, speed, and puck-skill.
freer said:IMO
Marner is exactly where needs to be, according to the best coach in the NHL.
Marner is on pace for about 60-65 point this season. No one thought he would accomplish that this season.
IMO again if he can stay away from injuries, he will be the best player on the team, in a few years. (Since game 6 Matthews has really done nothing)
Again this season everyone criticizes Bozak. Why, he is a player who puts up .75 ppg and has with whom ever he has played with.
We have to have veterans with the rookies. or doesnt work, just look at DET over the 20 + seasons.
Let the coach who is earning millions a year do his job.
How has having two veterans in JVR and Bozak maybe allowed Mitch to hit the ground running this season, do you think?
Babcock: Well, that?s a good question. Mitch has helped those veterans hit the ground running. Obviously, there is a combination of things there. Bozie is good in the faceoff circle and can pass the puck. James can skate and is good at the net. Mitch is on the puck and elite and smart. Those guys have been a good group. The other thing about it is they don?t always draw the hardest matchup. Naz does most of the time. On the road, usually one of Auston or them do. That makes it easier as well.
herman said:https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2016/11/15/mike-babcock-on-mitch-marner-ive-never-coached-a-kid-that-good-that-young/
As you coach these young guys for the first time, were you surprised by many elements of Marner?s game?
Babcock: He?s a really talented guy. You look at all the kids in our lineup ? Carrick and Zaitsev and Hyman and Brown, and then the three guys that have elite skill ? he not only has the skill but he competes every night. He competes with and without the puck. That?s really positive. Obviously, some of those other guys have to compete ? that?s why we like them so much. But when you?ve got that much skill, you can float around a little bit and still be in the league. You?re not going to be good, but you?re going to be in the league. So he?s that competitive, he?s on the puck, he?s smart. Easy to talk to. Enjoys the game. Wants to get better.
Mitch Marner is the prototypical forward that Hunter has been picking and grooming: great hockey sense, skates well, has skills, will work. I, for one, would love to see a full lineup of these players, if not at the deadline this year, then next season when the cap space opens up.
The league is transitioning to a game where there's no such thing as having too many players with smarts, speed, and puck-skill.