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NICK RITCHIE TRADED

Nik said:
herman said:
Neither Dzingel or Lyubushkin individually would produce a 2nd/3rd rd pick in a trade.
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If Lyubushkin is a legitimately good stay at home D I don't really think that is a fair thing to say definitively.
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Maybe if the eventual Chiarot trade actually nets a 1st like the habs fan base has been frothing over sets that market. Last season?s trade deadline didn?t really show anything like that for an under-the-radar expiring depth defenseman.
 
Well I wanted them to get Schenn because his name only has two syllables but this guy will be OK I guess.  Especially if he makes it easier for his puck carrying partner to freewheel and produce some offense.  Then we can say he gave the Leafs defense a much needed Lyub Job.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I'm not sure if they try this right away, and it might not work out well, but I wouldn't mind experimenting with this at some point:

Rielly-Lyubushkin
Muzzin-Brodie
Sandin-Holl/Liljegren

I don't think Liljegren on the 2nd pair would work right now. Maybe if he was paired with last years version of Muzzin, but Jake has certainly taken a little bit of a step back this year. Maybe pairing him with Brodie will help settle his game down instead of expecting Muzzin to carry his partner.

Lyubushkin on the top pair is definitely higher in the line-up than he'd ideally be but he has played the majority of this season alongside Chychrun and the season before that OEL so he has experience playing in the top-4. I think his lack of puck skills would mean he'd struggle alongside Muzzin just like Holl has this season, which is why I don't think he'd be a good fit there. But Rielly would obviously be able to make up for that on this pairing.

The goal here is mostly trying to get Muzzin back to playing at the standard we've been used to seeing him at since we acquired him, and I think putting him with Brodie might be the only way to do that at the moment. So the other pairings just fall into place after that.
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Nice idea. Makes sense to me.  Rielly might be first pair offensively but doesn?t always have to rake toughest matchup defensively.
 
herman said:
Nik said:
herman said:
Neither Dzingel or Lyubushkin individually would produce a 2nd/3rd rd pick in a trade.
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If Lyubushkin is a legitimately good stay at home D I don't really think that is a fair thing to say definitively.
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Maybe if the eventual Chiarot trade actually nets a 1st like the habs fan base has been frothing over sets that market. Last season?s trade deadline didn?t really show anything like that for an under-the-radar expiring depth defenseman.
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Mike Reilly and Brandon Montour were both under-the-radar expiring depth defencemen that played in that 18-20 minute range that Lyubushkin does and returned 3rd round draft picks. More importantly neither of them averaged more than 2 hits per game like he does. I think he'd have gotten a 3rd rounder at the deadline easily.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Mike Reilly and Brandon Montour were both under-the-radar expiring depth defencemen that played in that 18-20 minute range that Lyubushkin does and returned 3rd round draft picks. More importantly neither of them averaged more than 2 hits per game like he does. I think he'd have gotten a 3rd rounder at the deadline easily.
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Hmm I had Lyubushkin in a tier lower than those two (mentally) but that was probably name recognition bias on my part. He does average the 6th most TOI for their defense, which just might be a factor of how little Arizona plays with a lead. Throw in the RD tax, and okay I see Nik?s point.
 
herman said:
Hmm I had Lyubushkin in a tier lower than those two (mentally) but that was probably name recognition bias on my part. He does average the 6th most TOI for their defense, which just might be a factor of how little Arizona plays with a lead. Throw in the RD tax, and okay I see Nik?s point.
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Yeah I noticed that too, but to be fair 18 minutes isn't what you typically see from a #6 defenceman. For comparison he plays more than Sandin and Liljegren, and almost 4 more minutes a game than Dermott.
 
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1495836394329198594

Not too surprising. Would have liked to keep him since he's probably better than anyone else on the Marlies. I guess the alternative to waiving him was temporarily sending down Liljegren until we can work out a Dermott trade. Which would then become a discussion about whether priority should have been to protecting a 13th forward vs. 8th defenceman.
 
I'm pretty sure that if the Leafs put a flaming bag of dog poo on waivers that it would be claimed.
 
L K said:
I'm pretty sure that if the Leafs put a flaming bag of dog poo on waivers that it would be claimed.
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Probably but I think the Leafs knew he would get claimed when they put him on waivers..all good one less contract..
 
Guilt Trip said:
L K said:
I'm pretty sure that if the Leafs put a flaming bag of dog poo on waivers that it would be claimed.
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Probably but I think the Leafs knew he would get claimed when they put him on waivers..all good one less contract..
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Yeah I'm not surprised at this one.  His peripherals are decent enough.  He's a 13th forward on this team.  He can still play in the bottom 6 of average teams like the Sharks.
 
L K said:
Guilt Trip said:
L K said:
I'm pretty sure that if the Leafs put a flaming bag of dog poo on waivers that it would be claimed.
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Probably but I think the Leafs knew he would get claimed when they put him on waivers..all good one less contract..
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Yeah I'm not surprised at this one.  His peripherals are decent enough.  He's a 13th forward on this team.  He can still play in the bottom 6 of average teams like the Sharks.
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I don't even think he's 13th on this team. There are a few Marlies that could fit that bill, not named Clifford.
 
lamajama said:
Is there any kind of waiver-record for claims from one team?...yeesh.
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I don't know if it's a record, but it's still a lot:

https://twitter.com/NeedlesOnNews/status/1495846556804820997
 
https://twitter.com/MapleLeafs/status/1495918794757316608

Dropping this here, because as Deebo said in the GDT I imagine this is a follow-up to this deal. The Leafs will basically pay the rest of Hutton's one-way, $750k contract while in the minors.
 
https://www.gophnx.com/2022/02/21/coyotes-waive-then-trade-goalie-carter-hutton-to-maple-leafs-but-hes-not-going-anywhere/

Arizona reporter saying that Hutton will stay in Arizona and report to their AHL team in Tuscon, so yeah Leafs just paying his salary.
 
That sounds very clever and will probably be made illegal next agreement because the Leafs did it.
 
herman said:
That sounds very clever and will probably be made illegal next agreement because the Leafs did it.
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Bettman will not say a thing, cause the Leafs keep helping the Arizona Coyotes stay a float regularly...
 
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