Nonis using depth to go shopping....

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Odds are they're talkign about someone like Franson, which means picks and/or prospects in return - and not likely of the high end variety either.

That certainly creates a spot. The only problem I see with something like that is that when we call up a replacement, that player might get picked up on waivers. It's conceivable that they would bring up a waiver exempt player, but then you run the risk of not playing that player as much as they need to be played to improve.

 

[Tigger]

Odds are they're talkign about someone like Franson, which means picks and/or prospects in return - and not likely of the high end variety either.

Agreed, my gut says Burke isn't looking to settle for that.

 

[Kin]

That certainly creates a spot. The only problem I see with something like that is that when we call up a replacement, that player might get picked up on waivers. It's conceivable that they would bring up a waiver exempt player, but then you run the risk of not playing that player as much as they need to be played to improve.

But for a guy like Lashoff they'll have to expose him to waivers at some point if he's ever going to see the NHL again so they might as well do it now. I don't think there's a terrible risk he gets claimed.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

But for a guy like Lashoff they'll have to expose him to waivers at some point if he's ever going to see the NHL again so they might as well do it now. I don't think there's a terrible risk he gets claimed.

Maybe, but with a few teams looking right now after injuries, I think the risk goes up. To me, Burke has to do whats best for the Leafs, not Lashoff. I believe the risk was less when sending him down when every other team was making waiver moves, but now is a different story.

It could go the way you think, I'm just throwing it out there, that the Leafs may have to deal with bringing up a younger player that could see some time in the pressbox and not on the ice.

I agree with Tigger though, that Burke is probably looking for a bigger deal when he moves his depth.

 

[Kin]

Maybe, but with a few teams looking right now after injuries, I think the risk goes up. To me, Burke has to do whats best for the Leafs, not Lashoff. I believe the risk was less when sending him down when every other team was making waiver moves, but now is a different story.

I'm not advocating they do anything for Lashoff's sake, I'm saying that regardless of when they call up Lashoff they'll need to expose him and the risk now isn't much greater than it would be at another time. If they can't bring up Lashoff because he'll get claimed then they're basically just stashing him in case of emergency in which case he's of such minor value to the team that losing him to waivers isn't a big deal anyway.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I'm not advocating they do anything for Lashoff's sake, I'm saying that regardless of when they call up Lashoff they'll need to expose him and the risk now isn't much greater than it would be at another time. If they can't bring up Lashoff because he'll get claimed then they're basically just stashing him in case of emergency in which case he's of such minor value to the team that losing him to waivers isn't a big deal anyway.

Fair enough, but I want my cake and eat it too!

 

[jonlleafs]

ESPN.COM:  The Bolts and Habs are believed in search of blueline help, with Custance citing ?an NHL source? claiming the two teams had contacted the Toronto Maple Leafs about a deal involving one of the Leafs blueliners.
link: http://spectorshockey.net/wordpress/2011/10/25/nhl-rumors-tuesday-october-25-2011/

While I don't like anything that the Habs have to offer, there are some interesting pieces in the Bolts that may be of use.  Malone?

But I'm inclined to keep what we have now.  At the beginning of the season, I was willing to part with Gunnarsson, but he's played well and rarely makes mistakes and has played well with Phaneuf.  At this point, the only one I'd trade is Komisarek, but I still like his aggressiveness.  I haven't seen enough of Franson to give up on him.  I still think he's going to be a very good NHL defenseman.  Unfortunately, if you give up Komisarek, you lose some toughness in the backend.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

While I don't like anything that the Habs have to offer, there are some interesting pieces in the Bolts that may be of use.  Malone?

But I'm inclined to keep what we have now.  At the beginning of the season, I was willing to part with Gunnarsson, but he's played well and rarely makes mistakes and has played well with Phaneuf.  At this point, the only one I'd trade is Komisarek, but I still like his aggressiveness.  I haven't seen enough of Franson to give up on him.  I still think he's going to be a very good NHL defenseman.  Unfortunately, if you give up Komisarek, you lose some toughness in the backend.

The Leafs have too many blueliners, so I think one has to go and to me, Franson is the guy to go. It might have been different if Gardiner didn't emerge, but losing Komisarek right now would not be good. I know he's the whipping boy and at the start of the season I started to see that he may have to go, but he's playing the way we need him to right now IMO.

Franson also didn't help his cause by talking to the media and then not really backing it up with his play. Burke has shown that he doesn't really respect that stuff and although he hasn't addressed those comments, I'm willing to believe he didn't really like that behaviour from Franson.

 

[Zee]

How about a guy like Lars Eller from the Habs?  Young, has some potential?  Provides some size up front.

 

[maplesyrup]

ESPN.COM:  The Bolts and Habs are believed in search of blueline help, with Custance citing ?an NHL source? claiming the two teams had contacted the Toronto Maple Leafs about a deal involving one of the Leafs blueliners.
link: http://spectorshockey.net/wordpress/2011/10/25/nhl-rumors-tuesday-october-25-2011/

While I don't like anything that the Habs have to offer, there are some interesting pieces in the Bolts that may be of use.  Malone?

But I'm inclined to keep what we have now.  At the beginning of the season, I was willing to part with Gunnarsson, but he's played well and rarely makes mistakes and has played well with Phaneuf.  At this point, the only one I'd trade is Komisarek, but I still like his aggressiveness.  I haven't seen enough of Franson to give up on him.  I still think he's going to be a very good NHL defenseman.  Unfortunately, if you give up Komisarek, you lose some toughness in the backend.

I actually prefer Malone to say, Mac because I think he brings an element sorely lacking and have mentioned him a few times over the years but one has to ask themselves;

1. Would Tampa move him for white might be a lesser forward plus a defenseman and;

2. At 31, will Malone still be a top 6 forward and be as usefull say 2-3 years from now when the Leafs might be (we hope) contenders?

I guess the answer to question "2" is up to our pro scouts (well, Dudley anyway.) And with that said, I have a lot of respect for him (Dudley) in that regard.

 

[Kin]

How about a guy like Lars Eller from the Habs?  Young, has some potential?  Provides some size up front.

Who does he step in and replace?

 

[bustaheims]

2. At 31, will Malone still be a top 6 forward and be as usefull say 2-3 years from now when the Leafs might be (we hope) contenders?

Given his injury history, the soon to be 32 year old Malone might not be playing in 2 or 3 years, never mind being useful.

 

[maplesyrup]

2. At 31, will Malone still be a top 6 forward and be as usefull say 2-3 years from now when the Leafs might be (we hope) contenders?

Given his injury history, the soon to be 32 year old Malone might not be playing in 2 or 3 years, never mind being useful.

Yeah, I'm a sucker for a good power forward but get 'em while they're young!

 

[Zee]

How about a guy like Lars Eller from the Habs?  Young, has some potential?  Provides some size up front.

Who does he step in and replace?

He's a 22 year old kid might fit in with the youth movement the Leafs have going.  Not sure where he'd slot in but it's more of a "nice to have" option if the likes of Lombardi, Connolly, Armstrong suffer further injuries.  Maybe play him together with a Frattin and Kadri?  I wouldn't mind a 3rd line like that.

 

[Kin]

He's a 22 year old kid might fit in with the youth movement the Leafs have going.  Not sure where he'd slot in but it's more of a "nice to have" option if the likes of Lombardi, Connolly, Armstrong suffer further injuries.  Maybe play him together with a Frattin and Kadri?  I wouldn't mind a 3rd line like that.

But even now, if they got him for nothing, who does he bounce? That's my issue there. I just don't know if I see where he gets playing time right now.

 

[Zee]

He's a 22 year old kid might fit in with the youth movement the Leafs have going.  Not sure where he'd slot in but it's more of a "nice to have" option if the likes of Lombardi, Connolly, Armstrong suffer further injuries.  Maybe play him together with a Frattin and Kadri?  I wouldn't mind a 3rd line like that.

But even now, if they got him for nothing, who does he bounce? That's my issue there. I just don't know if I see where he gets playing time right now.

Oh I know, but given his age he might be a Marlies assignment for now (not sure if he'd have to clear waivers).  If the Leafs can pickup someone with upside at a young age for relatively cheap I say take a chance.  Habs are slowly starting to become a desperate team, and with media pressure you never know what kind of rush trade they may make.

 

[Tigger]

Malone, again? It wasn't likely before, less so now.

 

[princedpw]

ESPN.COM:  The Bolts and Habs are believed in search of blueline help, with Custance citing ?an NHL source? claiming the two teams had contacted the Toronto Maple Leafs about a deal involving one of the Leafs blueliners.
link: http://spectorshockey.net/wordpress/2011/10/25/nhl-rumors-tuesday-october-25-2011/

While I don't like anything that the Habs have to offer, there are some interesting pieces in the Bolts that may be of use.  Malone?

But I'm inclined to keep what we have now.  At the beginning of the season, I was willing to part with Gunnarsson, but he's played well and rarely makes mistakes and has played well with Phaneuf.  At this point, the only one I'd trade is Komisarek, but I still like his aggressiveness.  I haven't seen enough of Franson to give up on him.  I still think he's going to be a very good NHL defenseman.  Unfortunately, if you give up Komisarek, you lose some toughness in the backend.

I think it would be a god-send if we could dump Komisarek on the Habs or bolts right now for nothing.  If Komi is replaced by his $1.5 million equivalent (eg: Aulie), it would free up $3 million the next two years that we can use to resign Grabbo and Kulemin in the offseason.

 

[Erndog]

ESPN.COM:  The Bolts and Habs are believed in search of blueline help, with Custance citing ?an NHL source? claiming the two teams had contacted the Toronto Maple Leafs about a deal involving one of the Leafs blueliners.
link: http://spectorshockey.net/wordpress/2011/10/25/nhl-rumors-tuesday-october-25-2011/

While I don't like anything that the Habs have to offer, there are some interesting pieces in the Bolts that may be of use.  Malone?

But I'm inclined to keep what we have now.  At the beginning of the season, I was willing to part with Gunnarsson, but he's played well and rarely makes mistakes and has played well with Phaneuf.  At this point, the only one I'd trade is Komisarek, but I still like his aggressiveness.  I haven't seen enough of Franson to give up on him.  I still think he's going to be a very good NHL defenseman.  Unfortunately, if you give up Komisarek, you lose some toughness in the backend.

I think it would be a god-send if we could dump Komisarek on the Habs or bolts right now for nothing.  If Komi is replaced by his $1.5 million equivalent (eg: Aulie), it would free up $3 million the next two years that we can use to resign Grabbo and Kulemin in the offseason.

Aulie is actually 800K so even better.

Anyways, I don't think Komi is going anywhere quite yet.  Still too much term left on that contract but who knows.

 

[Corn Flake]

ESPN.COM:  The Bolts and Habs are believed in search of blueline help, with Custance citing ?an NHL source? claiming the two teams had contacted the Toronto Maple Leafs about a deal involving one of the Leafs blueliners.
link: http://spectorshockey.net/wordpress/2011/10/25/nhl-rumors-tuesday-october-25-2011/

While I don't like anything that the Habs have to offer, there are some interesting pieces in the Bolts that may be of use.  Malone?

But I'm inclined to keep what we have now.  At the beginning of the season, I was willing to part with Gunnarsson, but he's played well and rarely makes mistakes and has played well with Phaneuf.  At this point, the only one I'd trade is Komisarek, but I still like his aggressiveness.  I haven't seen enough of Franson to give up on him.  I still think he's going to be a very good NHL defenseman.  Unfortunately, if you give up Komisarek, you lose some toughness in the backend.

I think it would be a god-send if we could dump Komisarek on the Habs or bolts right now for nothing.  If Komi is replaced by his $1.5 million equivalent (eg: Aulie), it would free up $3 million the next two years that we can use to resign Grabbo and Kulemin in the offseason.

Aulie is actually 800K so even better.

Anyways, I don't think Komi is going anywhere quite yet.  Still too much term left on that contract but who knows.

I think if Komi didn't have that disaster of a game the other night vs. Boston he would be tradeable right now.  He needs to put 4-5 more together to show he can get back to his former self and I think they can move him.  He has shown signs, but could still go either way.

His contract is high, but the league is now in the old NBA land of make believe when it comes to contracts... its not so much about trading for a player performance strictly tied to $$ value, its about managing your cap (floor or ceiling) space and moving bodies in and out.