Of Nonis, Babcock & who the heck is going to be running this asylum on draft day

[hockeyfan1]

So, what's the temp of the board on this simple question: will Nonis get fired Sunday or Monday?  I say yes.  Shanahan needs to make a clean break all the way down the line.

I'd be expecting something to that extent.  So, yes.

 

[Highlander]

My gut  is that Phanuef is going to blow things up on Monday (supposedly according to Kyprios he wanted out at the trade deadline), he knows he is dead meat with the Loafs so may unload.  Nonis will probably going as well and soon. Certainly right after the playoffs.

 

[Al14]

My gut  is that Phanuef is going to blow things up on Monday (supposedly according to Kyprios he wanted out at the trade deadline), he knows he is dead meat with the Loafs so may unload.  Nonis will probably going as well and soon. Certainly right after the playoffs.

Apparently, Phaneuf really wanted the trade to Detroit to go through.  Detroit wanted him for nothing.  Nonis and Shanahan wouldn't cave to their poor offerings.

 

[slapshot]

My gut  is that Phanuef is going to blow things up on Monday (supposedly according to Kyprios he wanted out at the trade deadline), he knows he is dead meat with the Loafs so may unload.  Nonis will probably going as well and soon. Certainly right after the playoffs.

Apparently, Phaneuf really wanted the trade to Detroit to go through.  Detroit wanted him for nothing.  Nonis and Shanahan wouldn't cave to their poor offerings.

It seems pretty obvious Phaneuf has wanted out. His play, or lack thereof, certainly reflects that. Good on the brass for not caving. He gets the C and $7 million, and plays like he does. We ought to get something back.

 

[bustaheims]

My gut  is that Phanuef is going to blow things up on Monday (supposedly according to Kyprios he wanted out at the trade deadline), he knows he is dead meat with the Loafs so may unload.  Nonis will probably going as well and soon. Certainly right after the playoffs.

Say what you will about Phaneuf, but he's never struck me as the type of guy who would air that kind of dirty laundry in public. As unhappy as he may be to still be a Leaf, he'll absolutely play the good soldier for the media. He will not "blow things up." In fact, it's unlikely he says anything of consequence.

 

[Tigger]

My gut  is that Phanuef is going to blow things up on Monday (supposedly according to Kyprios he wanted out at the trade deadline), he knows he is dead meat with the Loafs so may unload.  Nonis will probably going as well and soon. Certainly right after the playoffs.

Say what you will about Phaneuf, but he's never struck me as the type of guy who would air that kind of dirty laundry in public. As unhappy as he may be to still be a Leaf, he'll absolutely play the good soldier for the media. He will not "blow things up." In fact, it's unlikely he says anything of consequence.

Agreed, platitudes mostly.

 

[louisstamos]

Darren Dreger       
Expect Leafs personnel changes to be made swiftly. No specifics, but dragging the process out isn't likely.

Go figure...

 

[Deebo]

It has to be front office staff since you can't really move players too swiftly.

Horachek will be relieved of his had coaching duties I'm sure. But anyone else? The rest of the coaching staff? Nonis?

 

[Darryl]

Nonis has to go. I wouldn't trust him to run the count at McDonalds let alone a draft with Connor McDavid. Keeping him here will taint the work being done moving forward.

 

[Kin]

It has to be front office staff since you can't really move players too swiftly.

Horachek will be relieved of his had coaching duties I'm sure. But anyone else? The rest of the coaching staff? Nonis?

I think a lot of it will depend on who they plan on pursuing for those roles. If, for instance, they plan on going and offering a ton of money to an established coach then you have to figure they'd want that coach to come in with as much freedom to build a staff as he would want.

The thing with Nonis, I think, will be whether or not they make official what's fairly obvious already, namely that he's the GM in name only. It seems unlikely that the team will go out and hire a GM who'll have a ton of autonomy so the only question is to what extent Shanahan cares about the appearance of Nonis sticking around.

 

[rdowdall]

It has to be front office staff since you can't really move players too swiftly.

Horachek will be relieved of his had coaching duties I'm sure. But anyone else? The rest of the coaching staff? Nonis?

I think a lot of it will depend on who they plan on pursuing for those roles. If, for instance, they plan on going and offering a ton of money to an established coach then you have to figure they'd want that coach to come in with as much freedom to build a staff as he would want.

The thing with Nonis, I think, will be whether or not they make official what's fairly obvious already, namely that he's the GM in name only. It seems unlikely that the team will go out and hire a GM who'll have a ton of autonomy so the only question is to what extent Shanahan cares about the appearance of Nonis sticking around.

My only concern with getting rid of Nonis is the lack of experience that will exist in this front office.  As has been pointed out, it's not likely that a Chiarelli type of GM is going to come in to this situation.  I don't doubt the talents of Dubas and Hunter, but this team doesn't have the luxury of growing pain types of mistakes.

 

[bustaheims]

It has to be front office staff since you can't really move players too swiftly.

Horachek will be relieved of his had coaching duties I'm sure. But anyone else? The rest of the coaching staff? Nonis?

Horachek, probably Spott and likely Nonis, and I imagine a significant portion of the pro scouts will be let go. If the rumours of Sean Burke coming in are true, that would also mean whoever the current goalie coach is would be on his way out again. Maybe not a lot of high profile changes, but, there could e some significant upheaval in terms of the guys we don't really ever hear about.

 

[Madferret]

I've heard rumblings about Chiarelli & Julien being let go if Boston misses the playoffs - have to assume the Leafs would be all over both if that plays out.

 

[bustaheims]

I've heard rumblings about Chiarelli & Julien being let go if Boston misses the playoffs - have to assume the Leafs would be all over both if that plays out.

Given Shanahan's other hirings, that seems unlikely. He seems pretty focused on bringing guys with fresher eyes and vision. Also, don't see Chiarelli coming into a situation where he's not clearly the guy in charge of the plan (which he wouldn't be here) and I doubt Julien would be super interested in taking over a team that's not going to be a serious contender for a few years.

 

[TML fan]

Can't Shanahan hire himself as GM?

 

[bustaheims]

Can't Shanahan hire himself as GM?

He could, but, I don't think he wants the day-today duties of one. He's more of the big picture guy - setting the direction for the team and stuff, and entrusting others to carry out his vision.

 

[TML fan]

Can't Shanahan hire himself as GM?

He could, but, I don't think he wants the day-today duties of one. He's more of the big picture guy - setting the direction for the team and stuff, and entrusting others to carry out his vision.

Yeah but why bother with the middle man? If he's the one running the show why doesn't he just make himself the GM and hire an assistant to run the day to day stuff? Isn't that Dubas' job? I just don't see someone wanting to come here to be a puppet, unless it's someone with no experience.

 

[rdowdall]

Can't Shanahan hire himself as GM?

He could, but, I don't think he wants the day-today duties of one. He's more of the big picture guy - setting the direction for the team and stuff, and entrusting others to carry out his vision.

Yeah but why bother with the middle man? If he's the one running the show why doesn't he just make himself the GM and hire an assistant to run the day to day stuff? Isn't that Dubas' job? I just don't see someone wanting to come here to be a puppet, unless it's someone with no experience.

They need to bring in a Rick Dudley type.  Someone who has done the main job, but is fine being an adviser.  Someone like Neil Smith, but not Neil Smith.

 

[ZBBM]

Can't Shanahan hire himself as GM?

He could, but, I don't think he wants the day-today duties of one. He's more of the big picture guy - setting the direction for the team and stuff, and entrusting others to carry out his vision.

Yeah but why bother with the middle man? If he's the one running the show why doesn't he just make himself the GM and hire an assistant to run the day to day stuff? Isn't that Dubas' job? I just don't see someone wanting to come here to be a puppet, unless it's someone with no experience.

Bingo.  The position of president is superfluous anyhow.  The GM is supposed to run the show.  It makes no sense to have a puppet.

 

[bustaheims]

Yeah but why bother with the middle man? If he's the one running the show why doesn't he just make himself the GM and hire an assistant to run the day to day stuff? Isn't that Dubas' job? I just don't see someone wanting to come here to be a puppet, unless it's someone with no experience.

He won't be hiring a guy to be a puppet, though. There's a pretty wide gulf between that and hiring someone else to carry out your vision. Shanahan won't be micromanaging every move or anything like that. He won't be sitting there pulling strings. He'll be laying out the roadmap, and having a say in the bigger moves, but it will be ultimately up to the GM to make things happen. That's really not an abnormal situation in the business world. In fact, it's how a large portion of it works.