Chev-boyar-sky
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mr grieves said:
I think Bernier might get that done.
Of Nonis, Babcock & who the heck is going to be running this asylum on draft day
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I think Bernier might get that done.
mr grieves said:
He's 30 yrs old now. After all his physical play, his body might be closer to a few years older. McDavid's 18, Hall 23 - I'd guess they'd want someone a little closer to their age group for a core. Young talent like Draisaitl and/or Yakupov ought to be able to return that. If I'm Edmonton offering that young talent, I'm asking about youth like Rielly not an older dman entering the downward side of his career: Phaneuf.
Nik the Trik said:
Babcock was raised in Saskatoon which he regards as his hometown. He coached for several years in Red Deer & Lethbridge, AB & Moose Jaw, SK. He also coached in Spokane, Cincinnati & Anaheim. Detroit is about as far east as he's worked. Edmonton and the western conference would be closer to home for him than Toronto.
bustaheims
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Nik the Trik said:
After living there for the past decade, yeah, I would imagine so. At the very least, it's certainly where his children consider to be home by now.
bustaheims said:
His son, who was the youngest or second youngest, is 20 yrs old and to play in the NCAA next season.
If Babcock isn't going to coach in Detroit any more .... home in Detroit is pretty much over for a good part of the year and the nearest NHL cities are 3.5-4.5 driving hrs away.
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cw said:
That's still half his life. He and his family have put down roots there. Detroit is home to them now. Much more so than Saskatoon or anywhere they may have lived 15 or more years ago. If he can, he's going to choose a position that keeps him as close as possible - and, as Nik points out, it's only an hour or so in the air from Toronto. That's close enough that he won't have to uproot his family. I promise you that's an important consideration for him.
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Bullfrog said:
Maybe, but, for coaches, those types of contracts are rare and are far from guarantees of being there for the duration. The length of a coach's contract is largely irrelevant.
Frank E said:
I concur, I think he's staying in Detroit.
I wanted him, I really did, despite the fact that a rebuilding team needs a rebuilding coach (who will likely be fired in two to three years) not a top flight Cup winner.
Perhaps then the best choice is the Grand Rapids coach who just may survive the usual two to three year "fire the coach" cycle that is inherent in most rebuilds.
Draft picks, lots and lots of draft picks, that should be the first (only?) priority, the coach, well that can wait or it will have to....
Red Wings will allow Babcock to talk to other teams
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=766946
I'm finding it even harder to believe he'd like to remain in Detroit after getting permission to speak with others.
He's doing what Scotty did - looking for a true contender with a few Cup shots in it's roster. I don't think he'll find that in Detroit or Toronto (any time soon)
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=766946
I'm finding it even harder to believe he'd like to remain in Detroit after getting permission to speak with others.
He's doing what Scotty did - looking for a true contender with a few Cup shots in it's roster. I don't think he'll find that in Detroit or Toronto (any time soon)
Kin
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I mentioned it in the other thread but it may just be that Detroit is using this to let him set his price at which point they'll match it. You have to figure that one of the things the Wings know is that there'll be a few teams who'll agree to pay him tons and that's some pretty solid leverage on his part.
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Nik the Trik said:
Yeah, that's my thinking too, they've given him assurances they'll match the best offer out there.
Folks said he wanted GM power. Like any coach, he'd like some input on personnel that he gets with the Wings but the GM thing got shot down by Babcock himself declaring himself as basically unfit for the role (or something to that effect).
Others have made a pitch about the money. He's going to get top dollar wherever he goes. He'd like to raise the bar for coaches I'm sure. But like the GM thing, it pales in comparison. Money is not the big deal some make of it in his decision process in part, because he's already worth millions.
He's not the kind of guy to squeeze Ilitch, an owner who has been good to him, for every dime. So I do not think this is all about getting the max dollar from Detroit.
A big thing was whether his wife would go along with a move elsewhere. By getting permission as he has, he must be over that hump. He probably explained to her that the Wings roster was going to dictate in the next couple of years his time in Detroit was over anyway.
He wants to coach and he wants to win. Those are his top priorities. He's already effectively said an aging Datsyuk and Zetterberg are past their prime with no one like them on the Wings horizon. So it's time to move on just like Bowman did. That's what is driving him. He wants to win another Cup. He's only won one. He's in a great position to pick a good roster to try that with.
With this announcement, I think Detroit's just a fall back position. He's moving on to the team who offers him the best chance to win a Cup.
Others have made a pitch about the money. He's going to get top dollar wherever he goes. He'd like to raise the bar for coaches I'm sure. But like the GM thing, it pales in comparison. Money is not the big deal some make of it in his decision process in part, because he's already worth millions.
He's not the kind of guy to squeeze Ilitch, an owner who has been good to him, for every dime. So I do not think this is all about getting the max dollar from Detroit.
A big thing was whether his wife would go along with a move elsewhere. By getting permission as he has, he must be over that hump. He probably explained to her that the Wings roster was going to dictate in the next couple of years his time in Detroit was over anyway.
He wants to coach and he wants to win. Those are his top priorities. He's already effectively said an aging Datsyuk and Zetterberg are past their prime with no one like them on the Wings horizon. So it's time to move on just like Bowman did. That's what is driving him. He wants to win another Cup. He's only won one. He's in a great position to pick a good roster to try that with.
With this announcement, I think Detroit's just a fall back position. He's moving on to the team who offers him the best chance to win a Cup.
Kin
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cw said:
I think you're underestimating what "top dollar" could legitimately be though. I don't know what the highest paid coach in the league makes, I assume it's one of Sutter, Quenneville or Babcock himself but I'd guess it's in the 2-4 million dollar a year range. So anywhere that Babcock goes he might very well stay in that upper echelon, sure, but what if the Leafs offer him 7.5 million a year? What if they offer him 9? If they're going to see a deep cut to their payroll as the rebuild goes on they could absorb that easily.
cw said:
I don't think finding out your market value and giving your employer a chance to match it is in anyway "squeezing" them or being disloyal. I think it's about as loyal as you'll find in the top reaches of any business.