Official 2013-2014 CHL Prospects Thread

[GhostofPotvin29]

He obviously showed some ability in 2011-12 with 45 points in 59 games, but he's got nothing for the AHL/NHL level.

That's just a case of it being his overage year - he was 20-21 in that season and guys who are that age in the OHL can typically rack up points regardless of whether they did so earlier in their junior career.  They're just more physically mature than a lot of the rest of the players in the league and more experienced.

 

[Bender]

Winning the OHL scoring title as an older junior doesn't necessarily mean much. A number of guys that never amounted to much have done it. I'm optimistic about Brown, and he could just be a late bloomer, but, he could also be another Peter Sarno/Sheldon Keefe/Corey Locke/Robbie Schremp/etc. I guess I'm just saying that we shouldn't over-rate this accomplishment. It's great and all for him on a personal level, but, in terms of it being a predictor of future success . . . well, it ain't one.

He was a 6th round pick, so unless scouts were totally wrong about him, he probably won't be a significant NHL player, if he makes it at all.

You'd look at good work by Kaberle, Zetterberg, Datsyuk taken in later rounds and assume their future based on draft choice rather than accomplishments and analysis of their skill on the ice?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Winning the OHL scoring title as an older junior doesn't necessarily mean much. A number of guys that never amounted to much have done it. I'm optimistic about Brown, and he could just be a late bloomer, but, he could also be another Peter Sarno/Sheldon Keefe/Corey Locke/Robbie Schremp/etc. I guess I'm just saying that we shouldn't over-rate this accomplishment. It's great and all for him on a personal level, but, in terms of it being a predictor of future success . . . well, it ain't one.

He was a 6th round pick, so unless scouts were totally wrong about him, he probably won't be a significant NHL player, if he makes it at all.

You'd look at good work by Kaberle, Zetterberg, Datsyuk taken in later rounds and assume their future based on draft choice rather than accomplishments and analysis of their skill on the ice?

It's more likely to happen with European players than CHL players who have a very hard time flying under the radar + aren't facing off in men's leagues (in some cases, not all).

 

[Bender]

Winning the OHL scoring title as an older junior doesn't necessarily mean much. A number of guys that never amounted to much have done it. I'm optimistic about Brown, and he could just be a late bloomer, but, he could also be another Peter Sarno/Sheldon Keefe/Corey Locke/Robbie Schremp/etc. I guess I'm just saying that we shouldn't over-rate this accomplishment. It's great and all for him on a personal level, but, in terms of it being a predictor of future success . . . well, it ain't one.

He was a 6th round pick, so unless scouts were totally wrong about him, he probably won't be a significant NHL player, if he makes it at all.

You'd look at good work by Kaberle, Zetterberg, Datsyuk taken in later rounds and assume their future based on draft choice rather than accomplishments and analysis of their skill on the ice?

It's more likely to happen with European players than CHL players who have a very hard time flying under the radar + aren't facing off in men's leagues (in some cases, not all).

Sure, but I don't think looking at draft position and stating they have an outside shot at making the NHL without looking at their play and skills and improvements they've made makes a whole lot of sense. We're dealing with a specific player than a generality.

By that line of reasoning I could say Bozak went undrafted and will probably not amount to much, but in his case I would argue that you'd have to look at his play and assess whether it could translate over to the next level or not.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Winning the OHL scoring title as an older junior doesn't necessarily mean much. A number of guys that never amounted to much have done it. I'm optimistic about Brown, and he could just be a late bloomer, but, he could also be another Peter Sarno/Sheldon Keefe/Corey Locke/Robbie Schremp/etc. I guess I'm just saying that we shouldn't over-rate this accomplishment. It's great and all for him on a personal level, but, in terms of it being a predictor of future success . . . well, it ain't one.

He was a 6th round pick, so unless scouts were totally wrong about him, he probably won't be a significant NHL player, if he makes it at all.

You'd look at good work by Kaberle, Zetterberg, Datsyuk taken in later rounds and assume their future based on draft choice rather than accomplishments and analysis of their skill on the ice?

It's more likely to happen with European players than CHL players who have a very hard time flying under the radar + aren't facing off in men's leagues (in some cases, not all).

Sure, but I don't think looking at draft position and stating they have an outside shot at making the NHL without looking at their play and skills and improvements they've made makes a whole lot of sense. We're dealing with a specific player than a generality.

By that line of reasoning I could say Bozak went undrafted and will probably not amount to much, but in his case I would argue that you'd have to look at his play and assess whether it could translate over to the next level or not.

That's why it was said "probably" - it's unlikely, based on the hundreds and hundreds that have come before him, that he will be one of the exceptions to the rule.  It's not impossible, but it's unlikely.

One of the prospect guys, Corey Pronman, says Brown has developed a lot since his draft year but still has skating & defensive issues, FWIW.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Winning the OHL scoring title as an older junior doesn't necessarily mean much. A number of guys that never amounted to much have done it. I'm optimistic about Brown, and he could just be a late bloomer, but, he could also be another Peter Sarno/Sheldon Keefe/Corey Locke/Robbie Schremp/etc. I guess I'm just saying that we shouldn't over-rate this accomplishment. It's great and all for him on a personal level, but, in terms of it being a predictor of future success . . . well, it ain't one.

He was a 6th round pick, so unless scouts were totally wrong about him, he probably won't be a significant NHL player, if he makes it at all.

You'd look at good work by Kaberle, Zetterberg, Datsyuk taken in later rounds and assume their future based on draft choice rather than accomplishments and analysis of their skill on the ice?

It's more likely to happen with European players than CHL players who have a very hard time flying under the radar + aren't facing off in men's leagues (in some cases, not all).

Sure, but I don't think looking at draft position and stating they have an outside shot at making the NHL without looking at their play and skills and improvements they've made makes a whole lot of sense. We're dealing with a specific player than a generality.

By that line of reasoning I could say Bozak went undrafted and will probably not amount to much, but in his case I would argue that you'd have to look at his play and assess whether it could translate over to the next level or not.

That's why it was said "probably" - it's unlikely, based on the hundreds and hundreds that have come before him, that he will be one of the exceptions to the rule.  It's not impossible, but it's unlikely.

One of the prospect guys, Corey Pronman, says Brown has developed a lot since his draft year but still has skating & defensive issues, FWIW.

Sounds like Corey Locke to me.  Let's hope he's more Marty St. Louis

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

@mirtle 

Leafs have signed prospect Carter Verhaeghe to an entry level deal. He'll join the Marlies on an amateur tryout for rest of season.

 

[L K]

He had a nice season for Niagara this year.  He should probably spend another year in the OHL though.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

He had a nice season for Niagara this year.  He should probably spend another year in the OHL though.

He's only turning 19 this summer, so he won't even be eligible to play in the AHL next season.

 

[Redleaf]

Anyone know when Matt Finn will make his Marlie debut? Is he eligible to play for them when the Storm are knocked out of the playoffs this spring?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

A couple of scouting reports/write-ups on Verhaeghe:

http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2014/04/02/maple-leafs-sign-carter-verhaeghe-to-entry-level-deal-will-join-marlies/

http://www.fiveminutesforfighting.com/2014/04/carter-verhaeghe-scouting-report.html

 

[Bullfrog]

Sounds promising, though I can't imagine he'll get much playing time with the Marlies this season.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Sounds promising, though I can't imagine he'll get much playing time with the Marlies this season.

He's only 18, so he'll probably just get a game or two down the stretch. It's more about having him see what the pros are like.

 

[Bullfrog]

For sure. I was commenting more on the fact that it seems like the Marlies have about 75 people on their active roster. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

For sure. I was commenting more on the fact that it seems like the Marlies have about 75 people on their active roster. 

Yeah. Although you never know. Percy came in after his junior season when he was 18 and actually played well enough to get into a few playoff games.

 

[bustaheims]

For sure. I was commenting more on the fact that it seems like the Marlies have about 75 people on their active roster. 

And, they're getting another one!

coreypronman: TOR's Fabrice Herzog off to the Marlies on an ATO. Marlies looking  like a prime scouting target next few weeks.

 

[Redleaf]

For sure. I was commenting more on the fact that it seems like the Marlies have about 75 people on their active roster. 

And, they're getting another one!

coreypronman: TOR's Fabrice Herzog off to the Marlies on an ATO. Marlies looking  like a prime scouting target next few weeks.

Fabrice Herzog, RW, Quebec Remparts
Acquired: 5th round (142nd overall) in 2013

Coming over from Switzerland, there was a bit of intrigue surrounding what type of season Fabrice Herzog would have after being selected by the Quebec Remparts in the 2013 Import Draft. Herzog has not disappointed for Quebec. He has been one of the clubs top forwards sitting behind only Anthony Duclair (NYR) and Adam Erne (TBL) in team scoring. Herzog ranks 13th in the QMJHL in goals scored with 19, and has 28 points through 33 games. Of his 19 goals, seven came on the powerplay and two were game-winners. Herzog has also been added to Switzerland's roster for the 2014 World Junior Championships.

 

[Redleaf]

Sounds promising, though I can't imagine he'll get much playing time with the Marlies this season.

Carter Verhaeghe, C, Niagara IceDogs
Acquired: 3rd round (82nd overall) in 2013

After an impressive session of camps in the summer, Carter Verhaeghe had high expectations heading into the season. With the opportunity to take a prominent role with the Niagara IceDogs this season, Verhaeghe has not disappointed. Playing on a top unit with 2014 potential first-round selection Brandan Perlini, Verhaeghe has been one of the top offensive players in the OHL. The 18-year-old has 16 goals and 29 assists for 45 points in 30 games.

Similar in development to Maple Leaf top prospect Josh Leivo, Verhaeghe has all the tools at his disposal to be a major threat in all areas of the ice. Verhaeghe is likely to spend another season in the OHL and should find himself at the top of the scoring race again. He had five goals and 10 assists through the month of November. He also participated in the Subway Super Series again Russia where he scored a goal for Team OHL in a 3-2 shootout loss.

 

[Highlander]

We know we have some excellent prospects on defense that should help the Loafs shore up when we actually get a coach who likes to limit shots against.  Percy, Finn, MacWilliam should all be on the main squad shortly?.so it is excellent news that we are now starting to get some potential top 6 forwards into the mix?.Lets hope for a successful draft this year where we get at least 2 starters down the road.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Anyone know when Matt Finn will make his Marlie debut? Is he eligible to play for them when the Storm are knocked out of the playoffs this spring?

Yes. He already has his contract so once his junior team's season is over he can join the Marlies. Guelph was the best team in the OHL during the regular season so they could go pretty deep into the playoffs though.