Official Ottawa Senators Thread

[LuncheonMeat]

2 pts back

I'm enjoying what they're doing. It's fun.

This thing with Hammond is a riot. I heard the sports pundits talking tonight about how they're going to have to trade Lehner or Anderson to make room on the roster to sign him. Feb 16th, he was basically an undrafted unknown toiling in the AHL - not doing anything terribly special. A month later, he stands to make a million bucks or more off this amazing run. If he gets them in the playoffs, he'll have earned that dough for his franchise and then some. Hope he does it.

It reminds of Chris Matthews on the Seahawks this year.  Working at Foot Locker and 2 months later playing in the Super Bowl, putting on a MVP performance no less.

I've never been a Sens fan, but I've been rooting for Hammond.  Good on him!  If he can carry them to the playoffs, it will be interesting to see what the off-season brings in terms of contract, either there or somewhere else.

 

[cw]

2 pts back

I'm enjoying what they're doing. It's fun.

This thing with Hammond is a riot. I heard the sports pundits talking tonight about how they're going to have to trade Lehner or Anderson to make room on the roster to sign him. Feb 16th, he was basically an undrafted unknown toiling in the AHL - not doing anything terribly special. A month later, he stands to make a million bucks or more off this amazing run. If he gets them in the playoffs, he'll have earned that dough for his franchise and then some. Hope he does it.

It reminds of Chris Matthews on the Seahawks this year.  Working at Foot Locker and 2 months later playing in the Super Bowl, putting on a MVP performance no less.

I've never been a Sens fan, but I've been rooting for Hammond.  Good on him!  If he can carry them to the playoffs, it will be interesting to see what the off-season brings in terms of contract, either there or somewhere else.

Ranger have one going as well:
Cam Talbot, undrafted 2010 UFA ("Found wallet")
http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7933
Flaws: Needs to become a more consistent goalkeeper in order to reach his pro potential, which is as a backup netminder at the National Hockey League level.
Career Potential: Depth goaltender with a little upside.

AHL save% .914, 54 Wins 52 losses

NHL save% .933, 1.94GAA, 29 wins, 13 losses 5 OTL
(save% and GAA slightly better than Lundqvist this year, numbers above over last year and this year - he's not totally a one year wonder)
$562,000 cap hit - near NHL minimum
(Edit: they signed him to $1.45 mil for next season)

Ever since the 2005 lockout, I'm confounded by goalie talent. They seem to draft them better than they used to (ie Price or Rask) but I can't figure them out reliably from one season to the next.

 

[Madferret]

20/20 watch (12 games left):

Karlsson 18G 38A  (3 GWG)
Zibanejad 17G 23A
Hoffman 24G 18A  (4 GWG) *
Stone 18G 31A  (5 GWG) *
Turris 19G 31A  (4 GWG)
Ryan 18G 32A  (5 GWG)

* = rookie

 

[Kin]

So for those of you keeping track at home, Bobby Ryan at 7 million dollars a year is putting up points at the same rate as Phil Kessel's trainwreck of a season with significantly fewer goals.

 

[Madferret]

2 pts back

I'm enjoying what they're doing. It's fun.

This thing with Hammond is a riot. I heard the sports pundits talking tonight about how they're going to have to trade Lehner or Anderson to make room on the roster to sign him. Feb 16th, he was basically an undrafted unknown toiling in the AHL - not doing anything terribly special. A month later, he stands to make a million bucks or more off this amazing run. If he gets them in the playoffs, he'll have earned that dough for his franchise and then some. Hope he does it.

It reminds of Chris Matthews on the Seahawks this year.  Working at Foot Locker and 2 months later playing in the Super Bowl, putting on a MVP performance no less.

I've never been a Sens fan, but I've been rooting for Hammond.  Good on him!  If he can carry them to the playoffs, it will be interesting to see what the off-season brings in terms of contract, either there or somewhere else.

Ranger have one going as well:
Cam Talbot, undrafted 2010 UFA ("Found wallet")
http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7933
Flaws: Needs to become a more consistent goalkeeper in order to reach his pro potential, which is as a backup netminder at the National Hockey League level.
Career Potential: Depth goaltender with a little upside.

AHL save% .914, 54 Wins 52 losses

NHL save% .933, 1.94GAA, 29 wins, 13 losses 5 OTL
(save% and GAA slightly better than Lundqvist this year, numbers above over last year and this year - he's not totally a one year wonder)
$562,000 cap hit - near NHL minimum
(Edit: they signed him to $1.45 mil for next season)

Ever since the 2005 lockout, I'm confounded by goalie talent. They seem to draft them better than they used to (ie Price or Rask) but I can't figure them out reliably from one season to the next.

Different case / circumstances but Dubnyk is another peculiar one - figures it out on his last life and saved the Wild's season at the same time. There doesn't seem to be much of a trade market value for goalies either - that's been going on for a few seasons now. Considering having good goaltending is like 70% of the battle I find that strange.

 

[Madferret]

So for those of you keeping track at home, Bobby Ryan at 7 million dollars a year is putting up points at the same rate as Phil Kessel's trainwreck of a season with significantly fewer goals.

I wouldn't say 6 goals is "significantly fewer" but we all know how you like to distort things in your favour. Ryan isn't -35 either.

 

[Kin]

I wouldn't say 6 goals is "significantly fewer" but we all know how you like to distort things in your favour.

25% is a significant amount of anything.

 

[L K]

2 pts back

I'm enjoying what they're doing. It's fun.

This thing with Hammond is a riot. I heard the sports pundits talking tonight about how they're going to have to trade Lehner or Anderson to make room on the roster to sign him. Feb 16th, he was basically an undrafted unknown toiling in the AHL - not doing anything terribly special. A month later, he stands to make a million bucks or more off this amazing run. If he gets them in the playoffs, he'll have earned that dough for his franchise and then some. Hope he does it.

It reminds of Chris Matthews on the Seahawks this year.  Working at Foot Locker and 2 months later playing in the Super Bowl, putting on a MVP performance no less.

I've never been a Sens fan, but I've been rooting for Hammond.  Good on him!  If he can carry them to the playoffs, it will be interesting to see what the off-season brings in terms of contract, either there or somewhere else.

Ranger have one going as well:
Cam Talbot, undrafted 2010 UFA ("Found wallet")
http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7933
Flaws: Needs to become a more consistent goalkeeper in order to reach his pro potential, which is as a backup netminder at the National Hockey League level.
Career Potential: Depth goaltender with a little upside.

AHL save% .914, 54 Wins 52 losses

NHL save% .933, 1.94GAA, 29 wins, 13 losses 5 OTL
(save% and GAA slightly better than Lundqvist this year, numbers above over last year and this year - he's not totally a one year wonder)
$562,000 cap hit - near NHL minimum
(Edit: they signed him to $1.45 mil for next season)

Ever since the 2005 lockout, I'm confounded by goalie talent. They seem to draft them better than they used to (ie Price or Rask) but I can't figure them out reliably from one season to the next.

Different case / circumstances but Dubnyk is another peculiar one - figures it out on his last life and saved the Wild's season at the same time. There doesn't seem to be much of a trade market value for goalies either - that's been going on for a few seasons now. Considering having good goaltending is like 70% of the battle I find that strange.

The market isn't valuable for the exact reason you just mentioned.  There really aren't a lot of reliable choices.  When you pretty much have as good a chance of striking gold by giving up nothing for a Devan Dubnyk or Hammond, why pay an arm and a leg for a guy who could end up being a dud.

Look at what happened in St. Louis when they picked up Ryan Miller.  I'm sure they were thrilled with a regular season .903 SV% and .897 SV% with a 1st round elimination.  That same year they had Halak with a .917 SV% and Elliott with a .922 SV%.  St. Louis gave up a 1st round pick, a second conditional 1st round pick (didn't qualify for it) a 2nd round drafted prospect, Halak and Chris Stewart for Steve Ott and Miller.  Steve Ott wasn't having a great year in Buffalo and was a disaster in St. Louis (3 points in 22 games).

Why give up that much when you have absolutely no guarantee of a positive return.

 

[Madferret]

I wouldn't say 6 goals is "significantly fewer" but we all know how you like to distort things in your favour.

25% is a significant amount of anything.

Speaking of significant amount - you realize that extension starts next year right? He's still a 5.1M cap hit. Getting sloppy Nik.

 

[Madferret]

2 pts back

I'm enjoying what they're doing. It's fun.

This thing with Hammond is a riot. I heard the sports pundits talking tonight about how they're going to have to trade Lehner or Anderson to make room on the roster to sign him. Feb 16th, he was basically an undrafted unknown toiling in the AHL - not doing anything terribly special. A month later, he stands to make a million bucks or more off this amazing run. If he gets them in the playoffs, he'll have earned that dough for his franchise and then some. Hope he does it.

It reminds of Chris Matthews on the Seahawks this year.  Working at Foot Locker and 2 months later playing in the Super Bowl, putting on a MVP performance no less.

I've never been a Sens fan, but I've been rooting for Hammond.  Good on him!  If he can carry them to the playoffs, it will be interesting to see what the off-season brings in terms of contract, either there or somewhere else.

Ranger have one going as well:
Cam Talbot, undrafted 2010 UFA ("Found wallet")
http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7933
Flaws: Needs to become a more consistent goalkeeper in order to reach his pro potential, which is as a backup netminder at the National Hockey League level.
Career Potential: Depth goaltender with a little upside.

AHL save% .914, 54 Wins 52 losses

NHL save% .933, 1.94GAA, 29 wins, 13 losses 5 OTL
(save% and GAA slightly better than Lundqvist this year, numbers above over last year and this year - he's not totally a one year wonder)
$562,000 cap hit - near NHL minimum
(Edit: they signed him to $1.45 mil for next season)

Ever since the 2005 lockout, I'm confounded by goalie talent. They seem to draft them better than they used to (ie Price or Rask) but I can't figure them out reliably from one season to the next.

Different case / circumstances but Dubnyk is another peculiar one - figures it out on his last life and saved the Wild's season at the same time. There doesn't seem to be much of a trade market value for goalies either - that's been going on for a few seasons now. Considering having good goaltending is like 70% of the battle I find that strange.

The market isn't valuable for the exact reason you just mentioned.  There really aren't a lot of reliable choices.  When you pretty much have as good a chance of striking gold by giving up nothing for a Devan Dubnyk or Hammond, why pay an arm and a leg for a guy who could end up being a dud.

Look at what happened in St. Louis when they picked up Ryan Miller.  I'm sure they were thrilled with a regular season .903 SV% and .897 SV% with a 1st round elimination.  That same year they had Halak with a .917 SV% and Elliott with a .922 SV%.  St. Louis gave up a 1st round pick, a second conditional 1st round pick (didn't qualify for it) a 2nd round drafted prospect, Halak and Chris Stewart for Steve Ott and Miller.  Steve Ott wasn't having a great year in Buffalo and was a disaster in St. Louis (3 points in 22 games).

Why give up that much when you have absolutely no guarantee of a positive return.

Or Ben Bishop for Corey Conacher  :-X

 

[Kin]

Speaking of significant amount - you realize that extension starts next year right?

Excellently pointed out. So what that means, again for those of you at home, that in the three seasons prior to his extension Bobby Ryan has scored 52 goals and 128 points in 182 games.

So for three seasons now, he's been the equivalent of a 23 goal, 58 point forward. That's what 7 million, excuse my sloppiness, 7.25 million is going to be buying the Ottawa Senators.

Kessel, in this awful year, is on pace for 27 goals and 62 points.

 

[Madferret]

Speaking of significant amount - you realize that extension starts next year right?

Excellently pointed out. So what that means, again for those of you at home, that in the three seasons prior to his extension Bobby Ryan has scored 52 goals and 128 points in 182 games.

So for three seasons now, he's been the equivalent of a 23 goal, 58 point forward. That's what 7 million, excuse my sloppiness, 7.25 million is going to be buying the Ottawa Senators.

Kessel, in this awful year, is on pace for 27 goals and 62 points.

3 seasons prior to signing the extension:

11/12 - 31G 26A
12/13 - 11G 19A
13/14 - 23G 25A
= 65G 70A / 198 games

 

[cw]

So for those of you keeping track at home, Bobby Ryan at 7 million dollars a year is putting up points at the same rate as Phil Kessel's trainwreck of a season with significantly fewer goals.

I wouldn't say 6 goals is "significantly fewer" but we all know how you like to distort things in your favour. Ryan isn't -35 either.

This season:
Pts/60 mins of scoring ice time: Ryan 2.60, Kessel 2.42
Salary this season                  : Ryan $5.56 mil, Kessel $10.0 mil

Ryan is providing double the price performance of Kessel this year and better price performance if we used his contract numbers for next year.

The key thing I'd like to know is if Ryan would quit on his team for free or if he has some sort of bonus for doing that. Phil has been very generous about doing that for free this season. It's been a real treat for fans like me to watch. His teammates, RFAs like Bernier, he's just lovin' getting lit up while Phil's doggin' it - it will give his agent something to talk about this summer ... nothing like a solid guy standing up for his teammates in your lockerroom ... 'cause some fans will tell you, Phil has nothing to play for.

Although he claimed some luck, when Bobby went to the net against the Bruins, that was a pretty big game winning goal. I guess Bobby hasn't got around to bailing on the Sens yet. What's wrong with him? 

 

[Kin]

This season:
Pts/60 mins of scoring ice time: Ryan 2.60, Kessel 2.42
Salary this season                  : Ryan $5.56 mil, Kessel $10.0 mil

Yeah, I'm still never going to understand why you're so obsessed with salary as opposed to cap hit. Especially using "price performance" there.

 

[Kin]

3 seasons prior to signing the extension:

I didn't say prior to signing the extension. I said prior to it.

 

[cw]

This season:
Pts/60 mins of scoring ice time: Ryan 2.60, Kessel 2.42
Salary this season                  : Ryan $5.56 mil, Kessel $10.0 mil

Yeah, I'm still never going to understand why you're so obsessed with salary as opposed to cap hit. Especially using "price performance" there.

It doesn't really matter. Ryan's price performance in scoring (and  effort and two way play) this season is significantly better than Kessel's no matter which set of numbers you use. Ryan is scoring better, playing better and costing less.

 

[Madferret]

Ryan is out hitting Kessel 95-15. Ryan regularily kills penalties for the 9th best PK in the league. Ryan is +8, Kessel is -35...

 

[cw]

This season:
Pts/60 mins of scoring ice time: Ryan 2.60, Kessel 2.42
Salary this season                  : Ryan $5.56 mil, Kessel $10.0 mil

Yeah, I'm still never going to understand why you're so obsessed with salary as opposed to cap hit. Especially using "price performance" there.

And they're not quite apples to apples in terms of what they bring. In 66 games this year, Ryan has landed more hits than Phil has in his entire 6 seasons in Toronto. Ryan also seems a better defensive player (which isn't hard to say because Phil has a pretty chronic disinterest there)

 

[Kin]

And they're not quite apples to apples in terms of what they bring. In 66 games this year, Ryan has landed more hits than Phil has in his entire 6 seasons in Toronto.

Wow. Hit totals, huh?

 

[Kin]

It doesn't really matter. Ryan's price performance in scoring (and  effort and two way play) this season is significantly better than Kessel's no matter which set of numbers you use. Ryan is scoring better, playing better and costing less.

Well, that's not true. Kessel's still got him beat in terms of goals per 60 although, for what it's worth, I think you're leaning a little too heavily on per 60 numbers.

But anyways I don't think we fundamentally disagree to some extent. Kessel, as I've said repeatedly, is having a horrible year. There's a chance he will score fewer points this year than any season other than when he was a 19 year old rookie.

So Bobby Ryan, at what seems to be his new normal, is roughly the equivalent of a point producer and worse goal scorer than Phil Kessel in what is the worst year of Phil Kessel's career by far. So, you know, don't break your arm giving him too many high-fives.