Ontario Election 2018

[L K]

I honestly don't know what I doing at this point.  We are in the middle of a binding arbitration battle with the Liberals and the offer they put on the table was downright insulting.  There were still a few Liberal supporters in our ranks but they pretty much pissed that one away.

 

[dappleganger]

I am a life long Liberal supporter but the current Liberal government is completely corrupt. Christine Elliot would have a made an easy decision to switch. Doug Ford is going to make this an uphill battle for the Conservatives.

 

[Kin]

I'm neither a PC or Liberal voter but I will take relatively benign corruption over sheer lunacy.

 

[cabber24]

Trying to comprehend Ontario stat holiday pay.

This is the simplest explanation of the new calculation:
"The simplified formula means that employees are entitled to their average regular daily wage"

The formula is: (Amount earned during last pay period) divided by (number of days worked in last pay period)

2 employees same company, same pay period.
Employee A: works 10 days a total of 76 hours at $15/hr earns = $1,140
Employee B: works 1 day a total of 8 hours at $15/hr earns = $120

Employee A stat pay calculation: $1,140 / 10 days worked = $114
Employee B stat pay calculation: $120 / 1 day worked = $120

Confusing right? You would think the person that worked more would earn more stat pay?

Turn your full time, 40 hour/week job into 10 part time jobs that pay biweekly and work at each once for 8 hours. Each stat day you would earn 10 full days of stat pay, one from each job. 9 stat holidays a year and you could earn an extra 81 days of pay.

I guess we're are giving more to those in need but getting more for doing less never seems like a good thing.

 

[Frank E]

Trying to comprehend Ontario stat holiday pay.

This is the simplest explanation of the new calculation:
"The simplified formula means that employees are entitled to their average regular daily wage"

The formula is: (Amount earned during last pay period) divided by (number of days worked in last pay period)

2 employees same company, same pay period.
Employee A: works 10 days a total of 76 hours at $15/hr earns = $1,140
Employee B: works 1 day a total of 8 hours at $15/hr earns = $120

Employee A stat pay calculation: $1,140 / 10 days worked = $114
Employee B stat pay calculation: $120 / 1 day worked = $120

Confusing right? You would think the person that worked more would earn more stat pay?

Turn your full time, 40 hour/week job into 10 part time jobs that pay biweekly and work at each once for 8 hours. Each stat day you would earn 10 full days of stat pay, one from each job. 9 stat holidays a year and you could earn an extra 81 days of pay.

I guess we're are giving more to those in need but getting more for doing less never seems like a good thing.

It's actually getting challenged by businesses, like our group of companies.  It gets even further muddied when there are monthly/quarterly performance bonuses paid out during the pay period before the stat, but are earned throughout the month/quarter. 

The MOL will actually suggest some work arounds, as they've even admitted that the new legislation is flawed.  I don't think most people understand the new implications of the holiday pay part of the legislation.  It's an absolute mess, and they had years to work on it.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Turn your full time, 40 hour/week job into 10 part time jobs that pay biweekly and work at each once for 8 hours. Each stat day you would earn 10 full days of stat pay, one from each job. 9 stat holidays a year and you could earn an extra 81 days of pay.

I just asked my boss if I could do this. He told me to clean out my desk by 5pm.

 

[cabber24]

Trying to comprehend Ontario stat holiday pay.

This is the simplest explanation of the new calculation:
"The simplified formula means that employees are entitled to their average regular daily wage"

The formula is: (Amount earned during last pay period) divided by (number of days worked in last pay period)

2 employees same company, same pay period.
Employee A: works 10 days a total of 76 hours at $15/hr earns = $1,140
Employee B: works 1 day a total of 8 hours at $15/hr earns = $120

Employee A stat pay calculation: $1,140 / 10 days worked = $114
Employee B stat pay calculation: $120 / 1 day worked = $120

Confusing right? You would think the person that worked more would earn more stat pay?

Turn your full time, 40 hour/week job into 10 part time jobs that pay biweekly and work at each once for 8 hours. Each stat day you would earn 10 full days of stat pay, one from each job. 9 stat holidays a year and you could earn an extra 81 days of pay.

I guess we're are giving more to those in need but getting more for doing less never seems like a good thing.

It's actually getting challenged by businesses, like our group of companies.  It gets even further muddied when there are monthly/quarterly performance bonuses paid out during the pay period before the stat, but are earned throughout the month/quarter. 

The MOL will actually suggest some work arounds, as they've even admitted that the new legislation is flawed.  I don't think most people understand the new implications of the holiday pay part of the legislation.  It's an absolute mess, and they had years to work on it.

The old way made way more sense, it really wasn't overly complicated and it was fair. Part time jobs will become non-existent.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The old way made way more sense, it really wasn't over complicated and it was fair. Part time jobs will become non-existent.

What if Employee B lost a full day of work because the holiday fell on a Monday and he only works Monday's? He gets paid only $24 of stat pay under the old system, correct? That's $100 gone right there and now he's short on rent that month. I'm not saying that the new system is perfect but I think that guy wouldn't say the old one was "fair" to him.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Kathlene Wynne talks about the Ford/Trump comparison a bit here:

https://twitter.com/Kathleen_Wynne/status/986629671486918656

Full thread:

Today I was asked by reporters about Doug Ford's comments yesterday that were just short of ?lock her up." I thought hard about how to respond. Here's what I said:

Let?s just call this out for what it is ? Doug Ford sounds like Donald Trump. And that?s because he IS like Donald Trump. He believes in an ugly, vicious brand of politics that traffics in smears and lies.

He?ll say anything about anyone at any time ? because, just like Trump, it?s all about him. Not about our people and their families. Not about Ontario?s success. But about him. That?s how Trump campaigned in 2016. That?s how Ford is campaigning right now.

And I guarantee you ? it will get worse before it gets better. We saw it this week when Doug lied ? flat out lied ? about his appalling comments about families living with autism. Yesterday ? he did it again ? when he all but chanted ?Lock Her Up? talking about me.

It?s not about me. I have pretty thick skin. But I want people to notice what?s going on here ? Doug Ford stands for nothing but Doug Ford. And, just like Donald Trump, there?s only one way to deal with him. You have stand up to him. Because that?s how you deal with a bully.

Michelle Obama, whom I admire greatly, recommended that when they go low, we should go high. I liked that idea when she said it. Until we ended up with Donald Trump in the White House. So, I?m sorry. But not again. Not here. Not in Ontario.

I?m not going to go high. I?m not going to go low. I?m going to call that bullying behaviour out for what it is.

Because he may be Donald Trump. But I am not Hillary Clinton. And Ontario is not the United States of America. We can't let it happen again. Not here, not ever.

 

[Zee]

Yeah, Doug Ford is gonna win.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Yeah, Doug Ford is gonna win.

Oh, definitely.

 

[TML fan]

I guess Wynne has run out of things to buy votes with.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/pressprogress/status/989947611699298304

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Wynne announced over the weekend that the Liberals know they won't be winning the election. Still urged people to vote Liberal to stop the PCs or NDP from winning a majority.

CBC's poll tracker has the PC's coming out with a majority as the most likely outcome: https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/

It also has this fun tidbit:

Andrea Horwath's NDP has a narrow lead over Doug Ford's PCs, but despite the close race in the popular vote the PCs have a better regional distribution of that vote and so are favoured to win more seats.

MacLean's said that they're basically in a dead heat after doing polls this weekend: https://www.macleans.ca/politics/the-macleans-pollara-ontario-election-poll-ndp-and-pcs-in-deadlock/

 

[Kin]

I just really can't understand anyone voting Liberal right now. I get being MOR politically but to be so wedded to that as to risk a Doug Ford majority government blows my mind.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I just really can't understand anyone voting Liberal right now. I get being MOR politically but to be so wedded to that as to risk a Doug Ford majority government blows my mind.

When I heard that Wynne was conceding, a part of me really hoped that she would urge voters to vote NDP instead to prevent Ford from winning. I think that could have really changed the tide. The odds of a NDP majority seem slim anyway so I'm not sure the Liberals should have been worried about that.

 

[TimKerr]

I just really can't understand anyone voting Liberal right now. I get being MOR politically but to be so wedded to that as to risk a Doug Ford majority government blows my mind.

When I heard that Wynne was conceding, a part of me really hoped that she would urge voters to vote NDP instead to prevent Ford from winning. I think that could have really changed the tide. The odds of a NDP majority seem slim anyway so I'm not sure the Liberals should have been worried about that.

She is truly that afraid of a NDP majority which is why she said vote Liberal. I wish someone would put out a cheat sheet for each riding that would say whether to vote for Liberal or NDP in order to ensure that Ford doesn't win.
I am still 3 months later in shock that the Conservatives made Ford their leader. If it was Christine Elliott as expected this election would already be over.

 

[Kin]

She is truly that afraid of a NDP majority which is why she said vote Liberal.

It's something you see all over the place, whether in the States with Centrist Democrats vs. the Sanders wing of the party or Blairite Labour vs. Corbin Labour but I really think that one of the incredible blind spots of centrist politics, and what's leading to their demise, is their somewhat bizarre belief that a Left Wing government is just as damaging as a Right Wing one.

 

[louisstamos]

I wish someone would put out a cheat sheet for each riding that would say whether to vote for Liberal or NDP in order to ensure that Ford doesn't win.

Ask, and you shall receive! https://www.scribd.com/document/380547586/Ontario-Proj-30-05-2018-Detailed#from_embed

 

[Zee]

I wish someone would put out a cheat sheet for each riding that would say whether to vote for Liberal or NDP in order to ensure that Ford doesn't win.

Ask, and you shall receive! https://www.scribd.com/document/380547586/Ontario-Proj-30-05-2018-Detailed#from_embed

Liberals on track for 4 seats, yikes.  Reminds me of that election in the late 80s when Peterson won for the Liberals and the PCs had something like 2 or 3 seats.

Hmm...looked it up, I'm mis-remembering, PCs had 16 seats when Peterson won 95..can't remember which election it was when the PCs got decimated.


Oh it was the 1993 Federal election, Kim Campbell won 2 seats.