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Zee said:Hmm...looked it up, I'm mis-remembering, PCs had 16 seats when Peterson won 95..can't remember which election it was when the PCs got decimated.
'93 Federal?
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Zee said:Hmm...looked it up, I'm mis-remembering, PCs had 16 seats when Peterson won 95..can't remember which election it was when the PCs got decimated.
CarltonTheBear said:Nik the Trik said:I just really can't understand anyone voting Liberal right now. I get being MOR politically but to be so wedded to that as to risk a Doug Ford majority government blows my mind.
When I heard that Wynne was conceding, a part of me really hoped that she would urge voters to vote NDP instead to prevent Ford from winning. I think that could have really changed the tide. The odds of a NDP majority seem slim anyway so I'm not sure the Liberals should have been worried about that.
Bullfrog said:I think it's the greater fear of losing party status.
The CBC poll says 79.3% chance of PC majority? This is the result of another "first past the post" voting system. A dead heat turns into a majority for someone, I hate that. I wish we had a proportional representation voting system. I want every vote to count proportionately. Parties get $'s per vote why not representation in the house?CarltonTheBear said:Wynne announced over the weekend that the Liberals know they won't be winning the election. Still urged people to vote Liberal to stop the PCs or NDP from winning a majority.
CBC's poll tracker has the PC's coming out with a majority as the most likely outcome: https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/
It also has this fun tidbit:
Andrea Horwath's NDP has a narrow lead over Doug Ford's PCs, but despite the close race in the popular vote the PCs have a better regional distribution of that vote and so are favoured to win more seats.
cabber24 said:The CBC poll says 79.3% chance of PC majority? This is the result of another "first past the post" voting system. A dead heat turns into a majority for someone, I hate that. I wish we had a proportional representation voting system. I want every vote to count proportionately. Parties get $'s per vote why not representation in the house?CarltonTheBear said:Wynne announced over the weekend that the Liberals know they won't be winning the election. Still urged people to vote Liberal to stop the PCs or NDP from winning a majority.
CBC's poll tracker has the PC's coming out with a majority as the most likely outcome: https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/
It also has this fun tidbit:
Andrea Horwath's NDP has a narrow lead over Doug Ford's PCs, but despite the close race in the popular vote the PCs have a better regional distribution of that vote and so are favoured to win more seats.
TimKerr said:cabber24 said:The CBC poll says 79.3% chance of PC majority? This is the result of another "first past the post" voting system. A dead heat turns into a majority for someone, I hate that. I wish we had a proportional representation voting system. I want every vote to count proportionately. Parties get $'s per vote why not representation in the house?CarltonTheBear said:Wynne announced over the weekend that the Liberals know they won't be winning the election. Still urged people to vote Liberal to stop the PCs or NDP from winning a majority.
CBC's poll tracker has the PC's coming out with a majority as the most likely outcome: https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/
It also has this fun tidbit:
Andrea Horwath's NDP has a narrow lead over Doug Ford's PCs, but despite the close race in the popular vote the PCs have a better regional distribution of that vote and so are favoured to win more seats.
In related news, the NDP support Proportional Representation
cabber24 said:The CBC poll says 79.3% chance of PC majority? This is the result of another "first past the post" voting system. A dead heat turns into a majority for someone, I hate that. I wish we had a proportional representation voting system. I want every vote to count proportionately. Parties get $'s per vote why not representation in the house?
bustaheims said:The last time any party received more than 50% of the vote in an Ontario provincial election was 1937. Proportional representation bascially makes it virtually impossible for a party to actually govern.
Nik the Trik said:I don't think that's necessarily true. There are quite a few countries with PR or a mixed system that manage to make things work. I think the bigger issue is you're effectively consigning your country/province/whatever to an eternity of centre-left or centre-right politics.
bustaheims said:They may be able to make things work in a fashion, but I'd still say the coalitions that need to be formed leads to the governing party not being able to govern. It basically makes election platforms irrelevant, as no party will ever really be in a position where they're free to actually execute their vision - and it often to leads to the larger parties being beholden to smaller special interest type parties.
I know that's true Federally, is part of the NDP provincial platform?TimKerr said:cabber24 said:The CBC poll says 79.3% chance of PC majority? This is the result of another "first past the post" voting system. A dead heat turns into a majority for someone, I hate that. I wish we had a proportional representation voting system. I want every vote to count proportionately. Parties get $'s per vote why not representation in the house?CarltonTheBear said:Wynne announced over the weekend that the Liberals know they won't be winning the election. Still urged people to vote Liberal to stop the PCs or NDP from winning a majority.
CBC's poll tracker has the PC's coming out with a majority as the most likely outcome: https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/
It also has this fun tidbit:
Andrea Horwath's NDP has a narrow lead over Doug Ford's PCs, but despite the close race in the popular vote the PCs have a better regional distribution of that vote and so are favoured to win more seats.
In related news, the NDP support Proportional Representation
cabber24 said:I know that's true Federally, is part of the NDP provincial platform?TimKerr said:cabber24 said:The CBC poll says 79.3% chance of PC majority? This is the result of another "first past the post" voting system. A dead heat turns into a majority for someone, I hate that. I wish we had a proportional representation voting system. I want every vote to count proportionately. Parties get $'s per vote why not representation in the house?CarltonTheBear said:Wynne announced over the weekend that the Liberals know they won't be winning the election. Still urged people to vote Liberal to stop the PCs or NDP from winning a majority.
CBC's poll tracker has the PC's coming out with a majority as the most likely outcome: https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/
It also has this fun tidbit:
Andrea Horwath's NDP has a narrow lead over Doug Ford's PCs, but despite the close race in the popular vote the PCs have a better regional distribution of that vote and so are favoured to win more seats.
In related news, the NDP support Proportional Representation
TimKerr said:The two women who came to my door told me it was. To be honest, I haven't checked the website to confirm it. I live in a guaranteed PC riding so I am stuck.
cabber24 said:The CBC poll says 79.3% chance of PC majority? This is the result of another "first past the post" voting system. A dead heat turns into a majority for someone, I hate that. I wish we had a proportional representation voting system. I want every vote to count proportionately. Parties get $'s per vote why not representation in the house?
It was part of Trudeau's platform. God forbid someone do something detrimental to their party for the better good of their country.bustaheims said:TimKerr said:The two women who came to my door told me it was. To be honest, I haven't checked the website to confirm it. I live in a guaranteed PC riding so I am stuck.
A lot of politicians and parties say they support things like proportional representation until they're faced with the reality of what it would actually take to implement it.
cabber24 said:It was part of Trudeau's platform. God forbid someone do something detrimental to their party for the better good of their country.bustaheims said:TimKerr said:The two women who came to my door told me it was. To be honest, I haven't checked the website to confirm it. I live in a guaranteed PC riding so I am stuck.
A lot of politicians and parties say they support things like proportional representation until they're faced with the reality of what it would actually take to implement it.
cabber24 said:It was part of Trudeau's platform. God forbid someone do something detrimental to their party for the better good of their country.
It's definitely detrimental to their party, 39.5% of the votes and 54% of the seats, beautiful math. Like I said it was part of his platform which he quickly retracted after he won. Anyway we're talking provincial elections right now.bustaheims said:cabber24 said:It was part of Trudeau's platform. God forbid someone do something detrimental to their party for the better good of their country.
It's not really that it's detrimental to the party. On the Federal level, it could require constitutional reform - and that's a mess best avoid for everyone's sake. Opening that door is just asking for all sorts of problems.
cabber24 said:It's definitely detrimental to their party, 39.5% of the votes and 54% of the seats, beautiful math. Like I said it was part of his platform which he quickly retracted after he won. Anyway we're talking provincial elections right now.
If the party I vote for loses, I would like to think my vote is worth more then $2.71. Never mind, I have no idea why any party would get any tax dollars to campaign. Cancel my $2.71 and give me proportional representation and I can choose to donate or not.
Bullfrog said:cabber24 said:The CBC poll says 79.3% chance of PC majority? This is the result of another "first past the post" voting system. A dead heat turns into a majority for someone, I hate that. I wish we had a proportional representation voting system. I want every vote to count proportionately. Parties get $'s per vote why not representation in the house?
Liberals are projected to win 20% of the popular vote, but only 4% of the seats!