Ontario Election 2018

[Kin]

Hmm...looked it up, I'm mis-remembering, PCs had 16 seats when Peterson won 95..can't remember which election it was when the PCs got decimated.

'93 Federal?

 

[Bullfrog]

I just really can't understand anyone voting Liberal right now. I get being MOR politically but to be so wedded to that as to risk a Doug Ford majority government blows my mind.

When I heard that Wynne was conceding, a part of me really hoped that she would urge voters to vote NDP instead to prevent Ford from winning. I think that could have really changed the tide. The odds of a NDP majority seem slim anyway so I'm not sure the Liberals should have been worried about that.

I think it's the greater fear of losing party status.

 

[bustaheims]

I think it's the greater fear of losing party status.

Yeah. I think that's probably the most likely factor, as it doesn't appear as though the Liberals will have much impact on whether or not there's a majority government.

 

[cabber24]

Wynne announced over the weekend that the Liberals know they won't be winning the election. Still urged people to vote Liberal to stop the PCs or NDP from winning a majority.

CBC's poll tracker has the PC's coming out with a majority as the most likely outcome: https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/

It also has this fun tidbit:

Andrea Horwath's NDP has a narrow lead over Doug Ford's PCs, but despite the close race in the popular vote the PCs have a better regional distribution of that vote and so are favoured to win more seats.

The CBC poll says 79.3% chance of PC majority? This is the result of another "first past the post" voting system. A dead heat turns into a majority for someone, I hate that. I wish we had a proportional representation voting system. I want every vote to count proportionately. Parties get $'s per vote why not representation in the house?

 

[TimKerr]

Wynne announced over the weekend that the Liberals know they won't be winning the election. Still urged people to vote Liberal to stop the PCs or NDP from winning a majority.

CBC's poll tracker has the PC's coming out with a majority as the most likely outcome: https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/

It also has this fun tidbit:

Andrea Horwath's NDP has a narrow lead over Doug Ford's PCs, but despite the close race in the popular vote the PCs have a better regional distribution of that vote and so are favoured to win more seats.

The CBC poll says 79.3% chance of PC majority? This is the result of another "first past the post" voting system. A dead heat turns into a majority for someone, I hate that. I wish we had a proportional representation voting system. I want every vote to count proportionately. Parties get $'s per vote why not representation in the house?

In related news, the NDP support Proportional Representation

 

[Frank E]

Wynne announced over the weekend that the Liberals know they won't be winning the election. Still urged people to vote Liberal to stop the PCs or NDP from winning a majority.

CBC's poll tracker has the PC's coming out with a majority as the most likely outcome: https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/

It also has this fun tidbit:

Andrea Horwath's NDP has a narrow lead over Doug Ford's PCs, but despite the close race in the popular vote the PCs have a better regional distribution of that vote and so are favoured to win more seats.

The CBC poll says 79.3% chance of PC majority? This is the result of another "first past the post" voting system. A dead heat turns into a majority for someone, I hate that. I wish we had a proportional representation voting system. I want every vote to count proportionately. Parties get $'s per vote why not representation in the house?

In related news, the NDP support Proportional Representation

Ha!

 

[bustaheims]

The CBC poll says 79.3% chance of PC majority? This is the result of another "first past the post" voting system. A dead heat turns into a majority for someone, I hate that. I wish we had a proportional representation voting system. I want every vote to count proportionately. Parties get $'s per vote why not representation in the house?

We'd basically never have a majority government in that situation - which means an extremely high risk of non-confidence votes, snap elections, etc. The last time any party received more than 50% of the vote in an Ontario provincial election was 1937. Proportional representation bascially makes it virtually impossible for a party to actually govern.

 

[Kin]

The last time any party received more than 50% of the vote in an Ontario provincial election was 1937. Proportional representation bascially makes it virtually impossible for a party to actually govern.

I don't think that's necessarily true. There are quite a few countries with PR or a mixed system that manage to make things work. I think the bigger issue is you're effectively consigning your country/province/whatever to an eternity of centre-left or centre-right politics.

 

[bustaheims]

I don't think that's necessarily true. There are quite a few countries with PR or a mixed system that manage to make things work. I think the bigger issue is you're effectively consigning your country/province/whatever to an eternity of centre-left or centre-right politics.

They may be able to make things work in a fashion, but I'd still say the coalitions that need to be formed leads to the governing party not being able to govern. It basically makes election platforms irrelevant, as no party will ever really be in a position where they're free to actually execute their vision - and it often to leads to the larger parties being beholden to smaller special interest type parties.

 

[Kin]

They may be able to make things work in a fashion, but I'd still say the coalitions that need to be formed leads to the governing party not being able to govern. It basically makes election platforms irrelevant, as no party will ever really be in a position where they're free to actually execute their vision - and it often to leads to the larger parties being beholden to smaller special interest type parties.

I mean, we could go back and forth on the philosophical arguments about it all day but just in a practical sense I feel like Germany and Denmark are pretty well governed countries. True, no one party can implement a radical agenda unchecked but I don't think everyone would agree that's a bad thing.

 

[cabber24]

Wynne announced over the weekend that the Liberals know they won't be winning the election. Still urged people to vote Liberal to stop the PCs or NDP from winning a majority.

CBC's poll tracker has the PC's coming out with a majority as the most likely outcome: https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/

It also has this fun tidbit:

Andrea Horwath's NDP has a narrow lead over Doug Ford's PCs, but despite the close race in the popular vote the PCs have a better regional distribution of that vote and so are favoured to win more seats.

The CBC poll says 79.3% chance of PC majority? This is the result of another "first past the post" voting system. A dead heat turns into a majority for someone, I hate that. I wish we had a proportional representation voting system. I want every vote to count proportionately. Parties get $'s per vote why not representation in the house?

In related news, the NDP support Proportional Representation

I know that's true Federally, is part of the NDP provincial platform?

 

[TimKerr]

Wynne announced over the weekend that the Liberals know they won't be winning the election. Still urged people to vote Liberal to stop the PCs or NDP from winning a majority.

CBC's poll tracker has the PC's coming out with a majority as the most likely outcome: https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/

It also has this fun tidbit:

Andrea Horwath's NDP has a narrow lead over Doug Ford's PCs, but despite the close race in the popular vote the PCs have a better regional distribution of that vote and so are favoured to win more seats.

The CBC poll says 79.3% chance of PC majority? This is the result of another "first past the post" voting system. A dead heat turns into a majority for someone, I hate that. I wish we had a proportional representation voting system. I want every vote to count proportionately. Parties get $'s per vote why not representation in the house?

In related news, the NDP support Proportional Representation

I know that's true Federally, is part of the NDP provincial platform?

The two women who came to my door told me it was. To be honest, I haven't checked the website to confirm it. I live in a guaranteed PC riding so I am stuck.

 

[bustaheims]

The two women who came to my door told me it was. To be honest, I haven't checked the website to confirm it. I live in a guaranteed PC riding so I am stuck.

A lot of politicians and parties say they support things like proportional representation until they're faced with the reality of what it would actually take to implement it.

 

[Bullfrog]

The CBC poll says 79.3% chance of PC majority? This is the result of another "first past the post" voting system. A dead heat turns into a majority for someone, I hate that. I wish we had a proportional representation voting system. I want every vote to count proportionately. Parties get $'s per vote why not representation in the house?

Liberals are projected to win 20% of the popular vote, but only 4% of the seats!

 

[cabber24]

The two women who came to my door told me it was. To be honest, I haven't checked the website to confirm it. I live in a guaranteed PC riding so I am stuck.

A lot of politicians and parties say they support things like proportional representation until they're faced with the reality of what it would actually take to implement it.

It was part of Trudeau's platform. God forbid someone do something detrimental to their party for the better good of their country.

 

[Frank E]

The two women who came to my door told me it was. To be honest, I haven't checked the website to confirm it. I live in a guaranteed PC riding so I am stuck.

A lot of politicians and parties say they support things like proportional representation until they're faced with the reality of what it would actually take to implement it.

It was part of Trudeau's platform. God forbid someone do something detrimental to their party for the better good of their country.

Hold on a minute...are you suggesting Trudeau said something he didn't follow through on?

 

[bustaheims]

It was part of Trudeau's platform. God forbid someone do something detrimental to their party for the better good of their country.

It's not really that it's detrimental to the party. On the Federal level, it could require constitutional reform - and that's a mess best avoid for everyone's sake. Opening that door is just asking for all sorts of problems.

 

[cabber24]

It was part of Trudeau's platform. God forbid someone do something detrimental to their party for the better good of their country.

It's not really that it's detrimental to the party. On the Federal level, it could require constitutional reform - and that's a mess best avoid for everyone's sake. Opening that door is just asking for all sorts of problems.

It's definitely detrimental to their party, 39.5% of the votes and 54% of the seats, beautiful math. Like I said it was part of his platform which he quickly retracted after he won. Anyway we're talking provincial elections right now.

If the party I vote for loses, I would like to think my vote is worth more then $2.71. Never mind, I have no idea why any party would get any tax dollars to campaign. Cancel my $2.71 and give me proportional representation and I can choose to donate or not.

 

[bustaheims]

It's definitely detrimental to their party, 39.5% of the votes and 54% of the seats, beautiful math. Like I said it was part of his platform which he quickly retracted after he won. Anyway we're talking provincial elections right now.

If the party I vote for loses, I would like to think my vote is worth more then $2.71. Never mind, I have no idea why any party would get any tax dollars to campaign. Cancel my $2.71 and give me proportional representation and I can choose to donate or not.

What I'm saying is the potential detriment to the party isn't the reason they backed off. The constitutional reform issues made it unfeasible.

 

[Bill_Berg]

The CBC poll says 79.3% chance of PC majority? This is the result of another "first past the post" voting system. A dead heat turns into a majority for someone, I hate that. I wish we had a proportional representation voting system. I want every vote to count proportionately. Parties get $'s per vote why not representation in the house?

Liberals are projected to win 20% of the popular vote, but only 4% of the seats!

I might vote liberal because of this, but I'm not sure I trust them with the 2 dollars my vote would give them.