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Penn State Scandal

Nik? - PAN said:
I don't see what problem you would see in terms of consistency  if changes like this were exclusively confined to the football program.
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I don't know. Just the principle of it I suppose.
 
Sgt said:
I don't know. Just the principle of it I suppose.
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That's fine and to be clear I don't have a strong opinion here. I don't care if Penn State plays this song or not.

My point of view is really just that A) Considering the gravity of what happened at Penn State that a little over-sensitivity can be forgiven so long as it's confined specifically to football which this is and B) from what I know of college football crowds I absolutely can see why Penn State officials would think "This might create uncomfortable situations and lead to some heckling so because the song isn't a particularly big deal in the first place, let's avoid the situation entirely".
 
Nik? - PAN said:
Sgt said:
I don't know. Just the principle of it I suppose.
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That's fine and to be clear I don't have a strong opinion here. I don't care if Penn State plays this song or not.

My point of view is really just that A) Considering the gravity of what happened at Penn State that a little over-sensitivity can be forgiven so long as it's confined specifically to football which this is and B) from what I know of college football crowds I absolutely can see why Penn State officials would think "This might create uncomfortable situations and lead to some heckling so because the song isn't a particularly big deal in the first place, let's avoid the situation entirely".
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Or, you know, it could go completely the other way and folks just decide to sing it anyway out of spite for Penn State officials. I mean, if college football fans are as rowdy as  you claim they are, this could get ugly and sad. I mean, a few clever ones can get real creative now with outfits and signage, etc. Again, I think these guys should have left well enough alone.   
 
Sgt said:
Or, you know, it could go completely the other way and folks just decide to sing it anyway out of spite for Penn State officials.
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Folks as in opposing fans or folks as in Penn State fans? Because either way I don't see a difference. If the stadium played the song then the song would be sung and whatever would ensue would ensue. If "folks" sing it out of spite, which strikes me as generally unlikely as they'll probably be singing whatever replaces it, then...the song will be sung and whatever will ensue will ensue. So I don't see the difference regardless.

Sgt said:
I mean, if college football fans are as rowdy as  you claim they are, this could get ugly and sad.
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Well, leaving aside the fact that there's no way that  Penn State is going to be avoiding "ugly and sad" the issue here is whether or not the song would be encouraging needling or not. Like I said, it might not, but I can see how it might and I appreciate the instinct to avoid the situation altogether.
 
Either way it doesn't matter I suppose. Though if  I ever go to a Penn State game, I'll be the guy in Neil Diamond sequence jacket protesting the omission of the song.
 
I also think, for what it's worth, that this does have to be seen in a certain context. Penn State is changing a ton of stuff this year. For years they made a big deal about not having names on the backs of their jerseys and what that said about their players and their program. Now they're going to have names because, according to the coach, that will make the players more accountable to the program.

So is some of this change pointless or counter-intuitive? Maybe. But it seems like they want to put as much distance between the new program and Paterno's program as possible. Given what's happened it's tough to blame them.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
A firing squad would of been the right sentence, but this will suffice.
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Sandusky said he wanted to be placed with the general population to somehow use that to maintain his innocence.  They are not going to let that happen.  Had they obliged, he would have gotten something worse than a firing squad.
 
Corn Flake said:
OldTimeHockey said:
A firing squad would of been the right sentence, but this will suffice.
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Sandusky said he wanted to be placed with the general population to somehow use that to maintain his innocence.  They are not going to let that happen.  Had they obliged, he would have gotten something worse than a firing squad.
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Death by Bunga Bunga??  ;D
 
caveman said:
Corn Flake said:
OldTimeHockey said:
A firing squad would of been the right sentence, but this will suffice.
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Sandusky said he wanted to be placed with the general population to somehow use that to maintain his innocence.  They are not going to let that happen.  Had they obliged, he would have gotten something worse than a firing squad.
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Death by Bunga Bunga??  ;D
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:) It's called Chee Chee where I'm from.
 
Corn Flake said:
OldTimeHockey said:
A firing squad would of been the right sentence, but this will suffice.
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Sandusky said he wanted to be placed with the general population to somehow use that to maintain his innocence.  They are not going to let that happen.  Had they obliged, he would have gotten something worse than a firing squad.
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And that would of been the best sentence possible. He could find out what it's like to be molested by someone bigger and stronger.
 
HARRISBURG, Pa. ? Former Penn State football coach Joe Paterno told his son the day after his firing that he hadn?t informed the coaching staff about allegations Jerry Sandusky may be a child molester because he was unsure whether they were true, Jay Paterno writes in a new book.

In "Paterno Legacy: Enduring Lessons from the Life and Death of My Father," which hit the shelves at some central Pennsylvania bookstores this week, Jay Paterno writes that his father said he didn?t want to accuse somebody of something he didn?t witness or know to be true.

"I didn?t know that he?d done all that stuff," Joe Paterno told his son, according to the book. "I had no idea. I just didn?t know."

"I am not writing to exonerate my father because he did not commit a crime that needs a pardon," he wrote. "If anything, he is guilty of failing to possess the God-like qualities ascribed to him by others, qualities that Joe was the first to insist he never had.

"When you know somebody for so long, it?s awfully hard to believe bad things about someone, when every sign in his life points the other way," he said.

For more, click here:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/paterno-was-unsure-about-sandusky-claims/



 
Allegations he previously made about his father, Jerry Sandusky, adopted son Matthew describes in detail his father's questionable conduct towards him as a boy:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/more/sanduskys-son-says-abuse-included-oral-sex/
 
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