Phaneuf being shopped

[Redleaf]

A pretty good Friedman interview re: Phaneuf....

https://soundcloud.com/mapleleafshotstove/elliotte-friedman-discusses-potential-suitors-for-dion-phaneuf

He mentions the most likely destinations being Calgary, Edmonton or Colorado.

I wonder how much more Nonis would need to sweeten the pot for an offer of Phaneuf for Statnsy?

What about Phaneuf to Edmonton. What could we possibly get back from that deal? I'd imagine it wouldnt be nearly enough to satisfy Leaf Nation.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Well Stastny is a pending UFA so I'd hope you wouldn't give up that much for the right to negotiate with him.

 

[bustaheims]

Well Stastny is a pending UFA so I'd hope you wouldn't give up that much for the right to negotiate with him.

If anything, because Stastny is a pending UFA, Colorado would have to add for the Leafs to make the deal. At the very least, it would have to be a sign and trade situation for the Leafs to even consider a straight up swap.

 

[L K]

Well Stastny is a pending UFA so I'd hope you wouldn't give up that much for the right to negotiate with him.

If anything, because Stastny is a pending UFA, Colorado would have to add for the Leafs to make the deal. At the very least, it would have to be a sign and trade situation for the Leafs to even consider a straight up swap.

 

I really don't understand how the logic of negotiation rights is worth a 1st pairing defenseman, overpaid or not.  Stastny isn't going to sign in Toronto for less money because the Leafs gave up an asset.

 

[TML fan]

Yeah if you want Stastny, go after him as a free agent. Honestly though, given recent history I wish the Leafs would stay out of the free agent pool.

 

[Champ Kind]

I wonder how much more Nonis would need to sweeten the pot for an offer of Phaneuf for Statnsy?

I wonder why you keep referring to this scenario?  The fact that Stastny is a pending UFA has been brought up many, many times.

 

[bustaheims]

I really don't understand how the logic of negotiation rights is worth a 1st pairing defenseman, overpaid or not.  Stastny isn't going to sign in Toronto for less money because the Leafs gave up an asset.

Neither do I. In the past, negotiating rights for individual players went for 2nd or 3rd round picks. With the introduction of the interview period leading up to free agency, negotiating rights are less valuable now. The extra year teams can offer players that played with them opens up the possibility for sign and trade type moves, but, there's no way any team is going to give up a significant roster piece for the rights to negotiate with a player for an extra week or two. If the Avs want Phaneuf, the extra time to negotiate with Stastny is the cherry on top of the rest of their offer, not the centrepiece.

 

[Sudafederov]

If the Leafs are looking to deal with Colorado, the most likely target is Ryan O'Reilly.

 

[Corn Flake]

What about Phaneuf to Edmonton. What could we possibly get back from that deal? I'd imagine it wouldnt be nearly enough to satisfy Leaf Nation.

I think Edmonton would be tripping over themselves to get Phaneuf.  They are desperate for a top pairing d-man and with Dion locked up for 7 years, hometown kid, etc etc... he's worth his weight in gold to them.

I wouldn't want to speculate on what Edm would give up, but I think it would be fairly substantial.  I don't buy this "he's not worth much" stuff at all.

 

[Corn Flake]

If the Leafs are looking to deal with Colorado, the most likely target is Ryan O'Reilly.

Would love to get him, but I don't think they are going to move him. He was a pretty key cog in their wheel last year, plus Stastny is likely moving on so they would likely not want to lose two of their top 6. 

Now if Colorado signs Stastny, that could all change.

 

[Boston Leaf]

Phaneuf and our 1st to Edmonton for their 1st and 2nd round picks. We move up in the draft grab a 2nd back and the guy almost everyone would just like to give away to be out of the contract and because most seem to hate the guy is over and done with

 

[Sudafederov]

If the Leafs are looking to deal with Colorado, the most likely target is Ryan O'Reilly.

Would love to get him, but I don't think they are going to move him. He was a pretty key cog in their wheel last year, plus Stastny is likely moving on so they would likely not want to lose two of their top 6. 

Now if Colorado signs Stastny, that could all change.

I'd like to get him too. I've read articles about how the Zamboni drivers have to kick him off the ice because he stays after practice so long. If you are going to install culture change, this is they type of player that helps to do just that.

It was reported in the rumour mill this year that the Avs had interest in Kulikov at one point, so potentially they are in the market for a defenceman. The Avs could definitely be a dance partner.

Still, maybe the Leafs brass liked what they saw with Kessel, Pavelski, and JVR at the Olympics. Dan Boyle is probably moving on, so SJ needs a defenceman too.

 

[Corn Flake]

If the Leafs are looking to deal with Colorado, the most likely target is Ryan O'Reilly.

Would love to get him, but I don't think they are going to move him. He was a pretty key cog in their wheel last year, plus Stastny is likely moving on so they would likely not want to lose two of their top 6. 

Now if Colorado signs Stastny, that could all change.

I'd like to get him too. I've read articles about how the Zamboni drivers have to kick him off the ice because he stays after practice so long. If you are going to install culture change, this is they type of player that helps to do just that.

It was reported in the rumour mill this year that the Avs had interest in Kulikov at one point, so potentially they are in the market for a defenceman. The Avs could definitely be a dance partner.

Still, maybe the Leafs brass liked what they saw with Kessel, Pavelski, and JVR at the Olympics. Dan Boyle is probably moving on, so SJ needs a defenceman too.

O'Rielly is absolutely the type of player who would be adored in this city.  He's a workhorse and ball of energy who is most certainly a potential future captain as well. I can't see them letting him go though but they do need to address their overall defense. 

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

If the Leafs are looking to deal with Colorado, the most likely target is Ryan O'Reilly.

Would love to get him, but I don't think they are going to move him. He was a pretty key cog in their wheel last year, plus Stastny is likely moving on so they would likely not want to lose two of their top 6. 

Now if Colorado signs Stastny, that could all change.

I'd like to get him too. I've read articles about how the Zamboni drivers have to kick him off the ice because he stays after practice so long. If you are going to install culture change, this is they type of player that helps to do just that.

It was reported in the rumour mill this year that the Avs had interest in Kulikov at one point, so potentially they are in the market for a defenceman. The Avs could definitely be a dance partner.

Still, maybe the Leafs brass liked what they saw with Kessel, Pavelski, and JVR at the Olympics. Dan Boyle is probably moving on, so SJ needs a defenceman too.

O'Rielly is absolutely the type of player who would be adored in this city.  He's a workhorse and ball of energy who is most certainly a potential future captain as well. I can't see them letting him go though but they do need to address their overall defense.

Only 2 PIM, not enough GRIT for Tronna.

 

[Kin]

I think it's pretty telling that most people who are Phaneuf advocates aren't even entertaining the possibility that trading him could yield a really terrific return for the Leafs.

While I'm not an advocate for Phaneuf, the reason I think it won't yield a terrific return is because we'd be the quarter in this trade. As in 3 dimes for a quater.

Why are you assuming that's the case though? There will be other good players, of Phaneuf's calibre or better, who will be on the block. If people out there genuinely believe Phaneuf is as well regarded as they claim, his being available would lead to substantial interest from multiple teams. Why would the Leafs be getting bits and pieces for him if teams were bidding against each other for the services of an All-Star?

 

[Corn Flake]

I guarantee you there are GM's and coaches who look at Dion and think they can tweak his game and pair him with the right guy and make him flourish. 

Heck, maybe putting him back on the left side and pair him with a competent RH d-man does the trick.

 

[Optimus Reimer]

I wonder how much more Nonis would need to sweeten the pot for an offer of Phaneuf for Statnsy?

I wonder why you keep referring to this scenario?  The fact that Stastny is a pending UFA has been brought up many, many times.

But it is one of the few mistakes the Leafs have yet to make...I think.  Trading for a UFA only to see the player sign with another team without ever wearing a Leaf shirt and getting nothing else back in exchange.

 

[Optimus Reimer]

I guarantee you there are GM's and coaches who look at Dion and think they can tweak his game and pair him with the right guy and make him flourish. 

Heck, maybe putting him back on the left side and pair him with a competent RH d-man does the trick.

With a decent coach and under a well defined defensive system Phaneuf could have prospered here as a Leaf player.  That actually applies to every Leaf defenseman. 

 

[Corn Flake]

I guarantee you there are GM's and coaches who look at Dion and think they can tweak his game and pair him with the right guy and make him flourish. 

Heck, maybe putting him back on the left side and pair him with a competent RH d-man does the trick.

With a decent coach and under a well defined defensive system Phaneuf could have prospered here as a Leaf player.  That actually applies to every Leaf defenseman.

Very true, but he also should be on a team where he is not the captain, or even in the leadership group it will benefit him.

 

[bustaheims]

Very true, but he also should be on a team where he is not the captain, or even in the leadership group it will benefit him.

I get the impression that, regardless of whether or not he has a letter on his sweater, Phaneuf will always find himself as part of the leadership group. He just seems to have that kind of personality. Moving him down the chain would be good for him, but I don't think he'll ever be able to be completely removed from it.